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DAW With Focus On Recording Rather Than Internal Beat Making and MIDI?

Sorry if this isn't the right place to post this. If it's not, please direct me to a more appropriate location.

As the title says, I want a DAW That's more focused on recording and bring in tracks. Pretty much every DAW I've tried is loaded down with MIDI and beat making stuff and I'm just not interested. I already find DAW interfaces confusing and then when you through MIDI and beat stuff in my face I just get lost.

I'm looking for something streamlined and more like a digital tape deck with infinite tracks I suppose.

But please NOT Audacity. I hate Audacity with the burning rage of a thousand suns!
Cakewalk by Bandlabs. That's what I use. While it offers midi input and editing, you don't have to use it and can just import as many audio tracks as you wish. Editing options and effects are nearly endless and a lot are free, some/many already included. I wouldn't use anything else as you're right - the learning curve is intense for any DAW.
 
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Reaper has pretty much become the industry standard now.

It's the defacto language of mix engineers on pro sites like gearslutz, and on home sites like homerecording.com.

I am a long time sonar user, professionally, and pro tools user. Also worked with logic for one album and was a cubase user for many years long long ago.

Repear has taken over.

A couple of critical pros for using reaper:
- the developer is so confident in it that he gives it away as a never ending free trial with no limitations other than a nag screen on bootup. It's worth paying for, but don't pay until you feel it's worth paying for.

- it has lower cpu use per plugin per track than the competition. This has been tested relatively scientifically by many engineers over many years, including myself, but using the same plugin multiple times in multiple tracks of the same audio content, on different DAWs.

- it's cross platform. So are protools, ableton and cubase, but not many others.

- It's VERY stable, and has a crazy good online support system due to the huge user base as well as terrific help from the developer.

- It's a smaller, lighter install than many other daws.

some quick cons:
- it doesn't come with VSTi instruments, it comes with a few basic and effective effect plugins, but nothing that'll make your jaw drop. Many of the competition come with more extras. However, from my experience, I never like the plugs that come with daws, so I install my own anyhow.
- some user interface choices are a bit more basic than the competition. I like the lighter UI, and find it faster to work through than the competition. However, it was originally a criticism by many. The UI is much nicer now than the old days too.
- the midi editing is fine, perfectly good, but the best daws for midi editing are sonar and ableton, for example, not reaper or logic or cubase. However it's still very effective, and superior to protools in it's midi editing (not that this is saying much... protools midi editing is ancient).


Reaper is so stable and quick to use that I just threw together a backup track for my band's guitarist to practice to, where I played drums (on keyboard with ez drummer for a sound source), hammond organ (using a great free vsti), bass, and a guide vocal. It sounds great (quickie performances aside) and took me a few hours including learning and performing the parts that I'd never played before.

My point being that this is a daw you forget about - it just does what you want.

Cubase I left because it was so unstable.

Sonar is too, plus sonar is very heavy and not efficient on the cpu, despite having easily the best features of any daw out there.

Cheers
 
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I hear your pain. That is why it took me until Covid gave me time to learn all this stuff. Like I said earlier, it really helped me when I started thinking of the process as an engineer and not just plugging into my old four track. The simplicity of the latter is compelling, but now that I have learned the DAW (and you can substitute any DAW here),you realize all the cool stuff you could never do on analog tape. I can record 5 bass tracks and a splice to hearts content. I can punch and actually see the WAV signal. I have gotten used to reading the Wavs for glitches and timing. Again, too much stuff maybe.

Yes, there are more tings to arm and be sure are set up right. There are frustrating moments when I cannot figure out why I can see a signal and hear nothing. Now that I have a solid year of Pro Tools under my belt, I am learning the keyboard shortcuts, which really help and speed things up.

I can understand your dislike of Company A vs B. I absolutely hate and don't use Apple products. Just remember Avid bought Pinnacle (video editing software that I liked) and then bought Pro Tools. Some of their efforts to take over things have gone awry, but at least up until now, they have let Pro Tools keep on a good path. They have a decent vision for their products, but like I said, to each their own.

My advice is to pick a DAW, learn the crap out of it and then you can switch after you understand the basics. I would not spend a lot of time demo-ing different DAWs, pretty much a confusing waste of time. I tried that (Ableton, Reaper, Pro Tool First).

I like @Wood and Wire suggestion to have a pre-made 4-track set up. My next move will be to buy an interface with 4 to 8 inputs. Not because I do more than two tracks at a time, but it would be nice to have all my cabling set up so I didn't have to unplug stuff all the time. I would love to have several "permanent" mic ins, dedicated bass in, dedicated condenser vocal mic in, dedicated guitar channel etc. That is the limitation of a 2 channel Focusrite box, and where I lose the most time and confuse signal chains and have a rats nest of cables around me.

Being able to see the waveform is really helpful and is why I don't want to just use my 4 track recorder on it's own. I'm used to being able to see the waveform when I'm working with audio for video.

There's just a lot of weird design decisions that I don't understand with DAWs in comparison to video editors.

Like, right now, I'm trying Studio One 5. I try to drag the play head like I do in Premiere and instead of moving the play head, it zooms the timeline in. As far as I can tell so far, there's not a way to drag the play head. You can only click to place it which makes it a lot harder to be accurate and it hyper annoying when I'm not thinking about it and try to drag it and my timeline goes insane. How the shag do you edit anything without being able to scrub?
 
Ftr, it seems that Cubase and Reaper are the same damn thing. I stopped using Reaper becasue it became a Cubase clone with endlessly repetitive function menus everywhere., And was an extremely cluttered interface. It's fine if you grew with it, but to anyone shopping it looks like a space shuttle cockpit when all they want is a Camry.
I don't find that in the slightest way.

For reaper, you don't use the menus unless you must, basically for changing views, and even then you just learn the keyboard shortcuts like everyone else does.

For most of my tasks I never use top menus and only use right click menus when choosing inputs and outputs, of course. Everything else is a single button click and you're in the effects, single button click for routing, single button click for sends, single button click for recording enable etc.

Not sure what you mean exactly. You can't have all the features in buttons for advanced work - it's no longer a user interface then, instead it's a mess. Reaper looks and behaves nothing like cubase imho - very different workflow.

I will never go back to cubase... it lost me hours of paid mixing or tracking work several times over my years using it, and every time I give it another chance it still suffers from the same issues.

I know people use it - but I think cubase, sonar, and logic all have that problem. huge, heavy, and unstable and it was the norm unless you used protools. But if you use protools you lack all of the superior features of the other daws.

So then reaper comes along and does nearly everything that cubase and logic do, and a lot of what sonar does, and it's cheap, light, and nearly perfectly stable.

When I say sonar, I also mean cakewalk by bandlab - which is sonar but repackaged into their free version without the extra synth plugins and beats that came with commercial sonar back in the day.
 
Reaper has pretty much become the industry standard now.

It's the defacto language of mix engineers on pro sites like gearslutz, and on home sites like homerecording.com.

I am a long time sonar user, professionally, and pro tools user. Also worked with logic for one album and was a cubase user for many years long long ago.

Repear has taken over.

A couple of critical pros for using reaper:
- the developer is so confident in it that he gives it away as a never ending free trial with no limitations other than a nag screen on bootup. It's worth paying for, but don't pay until you feel it's worth paying for.

- it has lower cpu use per plugin per track than the competition. This has been tested relatively scientifically by many engineers over many years, including myself, but using the same plugin multiple times in multiple tracks of the same audio content, on different DAWs.

- it's cross platform. So are protools, ableton and cubase, but not many others.

- It's VERY stable, and has a crazy good online support system due to the huge user base as well as terrific help from the developer.

- It's a smaller, lighter install than many other daws.

some quick cons:
- it doesn't come with VSTi instruments, it comes with a few basic and effective effect plugins, but nothing that'll make your jaw drop. Many of the competition come with more extras. However, from my experience, I never like the plugs that come with daws, so I install my own anyhow.
- some user interface choices are a bit more basic than the competition. I like the lighter UI, and find it faster to work through than the competition. However, it was originally a criticism by many. The UI is much nicer now than the old days too.
- the midi editing is fine, perfectly good, but the best daws for midi editing are sonar and ableton, for example, not reaper or logic or cubase. However it's still very effective, and superior to protools in it's midi editing (not that this is saying much... protools midi editing is ancient).


Reaper is so stable and quick to use that I just threw together a backup track for my band's guitarist to practice to, where I played drums (on keyboard with ez drummer for a sound source), hammond organ (using a great free vsti), bass, and a guide vocal. It sounds great (quickie performances aside) and took me a few hours including learning and performing the parts that I'd never played before.

My point being that this is a daw you forget about - it just does what you want.

Cubase I left because it was so unstable.

Sonar is too, plus sonar is very heavy and not efficient on the cpu, despite having easily the best features of any daw out there.

Cheers

As far as I know, a few years ago Sonar was sold to Bandlabs, who offered it for free for some time. I was one of those who took them up on their free offer. I'm not sure if they do anymore - but even so - it's got my vote as the best DAW out there. It is in all intents and purposes the latest Publisher version of Sonar but refined, less cpu intensive and they update it frequently - all free. I hear what you're saying about industry standards and who does what, but I have found nothing like it out there for the shear versatility of it. I have heard you can do some things in some DAWs and other things in others but, Cakewalk does everything. If you were once a user you should give it another try. It's become much more user friendly. You can customize the UI to your liking and as I said, way easier on the cpu than it used to be. Just my 2 cents.
 
Being able to see the waveform is really helpful and is why I don't want to just use my 4 track recorder on it's own. I'm used to being able to see the waveform when I'm working with audio for video.

There's just a lot of weird design decisions that I don't understand with DAWs in comparison to video editors.

Like, right now, I'm trying Studio One 5. I try to drag the play head like I do in Premiere and instead of moving the play head, it zooms the timeline in. As far as I can tell so far, there's not a way to drag the play head. You can only click to place it which makes it a lot harder to be accurate and it hyper annoying when I'm not thinking about it and try to drag it and my timeline goes insane. How the shag do you edit anything without being able to scrub?
Not sure I understand your question. I think you mean where to start the playback, in which case you'd just click once on the timeline where you want to start, then hit play. Or to immediately play at a certain point, double-click it.

This is a good video explaining how to get started in Studio One:
 
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As far as I know, a few years ago Sonar was sold to Bandlabs, who offered it for free for some time. I was one of those who took them up on their free offer. I'm not sure if they do anymore - but even so - it's got my vote as the best DAW out there. It is in all intents and purposes the latest Publisher version of Sonar but refined, less cpu intensive and they update it frequently - all free. I hear what you're saying about industry standards and who does what, but I have found nothing like it out there for the shear versatility of it. I have heard you can do some things in some DAWs and other things in others but, Cakewalk does everything. If you were once a user you should give it another try. It's become much more user friendly. You can customize the UI to your liking and as I said, way easier on the cpu than it used to be. Just my 2 cents.
Yes, it's still free and still supported and updated by bandlab. Great company. I was a sonar user professionally in the old days, and I used bandlab's build (which is really good and fixes some old cakewalk bugs finally) for a few months recently again to see how it was going for them.

Great daw.

But everything else I posted about it stays true - sonar is the heaviest daw and least efficient for your cpu. It has the best features by far. It only works on windows. It is free now. It can hang and get slow at times, even with the best builds which are the current bandlab ones. It has by far the best midi features around. It has incredible built in looping and splitting features. Reaper has copied most of it's looping and track features though currently. Sonar is much less flexible to setup VSTi and DXi instruments than in some other daws, particularly versus reaper which is exactly the same "click the effects button on a track, click add, choose your instrument, and put midi through it" that works for reaper's effects chain. in fact you put effects in the list after the instrument and they work on the instrument. Routing in reaper lets you choose to output midi to any track you want, so if you want midi from 3 tracks into one virtual instrument, it's done with a send just like audio.

Reaper has one way to get things out of each track - sends. midi and audio are treated the same way, which is magical once you realize it. Reaper has one way to add plugins, boht effects and instruments, to a track. Again, once you realize that, it's just so dumb simple and easy to navigate.

Sonar IS a great app. I recommend it. But I moved away from it because it's SO complex and easy to get frustrated with it's treatment of virtual instruments, and also because it taxes even the 6 core i9 cpu in my workstation with big projects. Reaper I have yet to find the limits of aside from with one test where I had like a hundred tracks with like 16 plugins per track or something all playing audio at the same time... which was an academic test.

Honestly, any daw will work.

Reaper is the standard most serious mixers work with these days simply because it is better, faster, lighter, more stable, and more flexible.

Sonar is fantastic, with a good computer and lots of knowledge of how a studio routes things (because it gets complicated fast).

Cubase is great, nothing major wrong with it, but for me it has let me down too many time in paid projects due to hanging, instability, and messing up it's audio track playback sync.

Protools is great, but less powerful for editing than any of the others. However it has some great and very fast to use tools once you learn them. I honestly think it's trailing these days, though. The best thing about protools was the hardware for the real studio version back in the old days - combined with a great simple UI for nonlinear editing. It has been surpassed without keeping up, although it works fine for what it is.

Ableton is amazing, does things differently, and easier to get into for some people unless you are a recording engineer and know the traditional systems better (Where a traditional daw makes more sense).

If you invest in the presonus system, they have great hardware to go with their daw, and together it is a terrific ecosystem. But I don't want to get stuck in a single ecosystem that really works best when you use their controller hardware with their daw (this is true with presonus, although worth it if you want to do that).

All the rest - they all work.

Up to you, OP. Lots of great advice and experiences in this thread, and I think it shows clearly that any daw will do! :-)
 
Not sure I understand your question. I think you mean where to start the playback, in which case you'd just click once on the timeline where you want to start, then hit play. Or to immediately play at a certain point, double-click it.

This is a good video explaining how to get started in Studio One:


Yeah, I know, that's exactly my frustration. I want to be able to scrub the timeline. As in, drag the play head around and have the audio play in real time as I do it. This is something every video editor can do and it's intensely helpful. Like, I understand I'm coming from film into music so I have some different expectations but this seems like a no brainer to me. Not being able to do that feels very restrictive
 
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Up to you, OP. Lots of great advice and experiences in this thread, and I think it shows clearly that any daw will do! :)

Yeah, there is. I'm trying Studio One 5 right now but am not hugely impressed. Will Try reaper next and see how that goes but I will likely be sticking with one of the two. I'm leaning towards reaper just because it seems to be in broader use with a bigger community.

I'm trying to put my expectations a video editor to the side but a lot of the way these DAWs work just seems totally against my nature and I'm finding a lot the design and interface decisions... questionable to put it nicely...
 
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I've never been able to get past the hump of the learning curve on any of the DAWs I've used. My brain just doesn't understand them. If you give me a bunch of gear and let me weir the whole thing up physically then I have it in my head and I can use it. But for some reason when you put all that on a flat screen, I just don't get it and have never been able to get anywhere with them

Cubase is simple enough that I walked a 60+ year old man through the download, install, asio config, right up to recording his electric bass into his CPU, all over the phone. If in your mind it is difficult, then it is difficult. Trust me, it's not. Go get started, and stop putting obstacles in your path.
 
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Reaper is nice but its not the industry standard by any means. For the op id recommend it due to pricing though. That or studio one should work.
But DAWs have Midi. Maybe consider a 12 track mixer that records internally to sdcard instead.
 
I'd recommend taking a look at Harrison Consoles Mixbus or Mixbus 32C.

I'd strongly suggest going for the 32c version if possible. It's got a significant number of useful enhancements when compared to the classic version. And the classic version is no slouch.

The only difference in system requirements between the two versions is that Mixbus 32c requires a minimum screen height of 1200 pixels vs 900 pixels for the classic version. (Note: either way you'll want the biggest monitor with the most pixels you can afford for a DAW, so treat that 1200 number as an absolute minimum.)

Mixbus 32c lists for $349 direct from Harrison. (The classic version is only $89.) And demo software is available for both to try before you buy. But if you put yourself on their mailing list you'll soon start receiving significant discount offers on their products. So sign up, download a demo, and try waiting a bit before taking the plunge. Unless they've drastically changed the way they're doing business recently, a discount offer will soon be forthcoming.

I got my first copy of Mix-bus 32c for $99 that way.
I have been through Garageband, Audacity, Cakewalk and ProTools, and I now use MixBus 32c exclusively. If you have any experience of using an analogue console, the workflow is completely instinctive. It looks great (as long as you have a big enough monitor), there are loads of clever touches, the channel EQ is the best there is, editing is simple and flexible and it's not expensive. I don't use MIDI at all to record my band, so I have no idea what the MIDI integration is like, but I love the rest of it. Oh, and it sounds great too!
 
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I mean, they're all basically the same and offer practically the same features. The only one I would steer you away from is something like Ableton or Fruity Loops (<= does that still exist?) which are definitely more suited for the programming crowd.

Fruity Loops surprisingly has become quite popular in certain circles. I had an early version of it, and was shocked to see how much it has been updated.

Ableton isn't bad at all, if you stay out of "Session" view. "Arrangement" view is like almost any other DAW. In fact, it has some easy-to-use editing functions. I wouldn't suggest it for the OP, but it isn't as alien as you might think.

Definitely don't get Renoise.
 
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I have been through Garageband, Audacity, Cakewalk and ProTools, and I now use MixBus 32c exclusively. If you have any experience of using an analogue console, the workflow is completely instinctive. It looks great (as long as you have a big enough monitor), there are loads of clever touches, the channel EQ is the best there is, editing is simple and flexible and it's not expensive. I don't use MIDI at all to record my band, so I have no idea what the MIDI integration is like, but I love the rest of it. Oh, and it sounds great too!

I cut my teeth on analog. And the look and feel and warmth of Mixbus is as close as I've ever seen it get implemented purely in software. Which makes it ideal for dinosaurs like myself. Might not be everyone's cuppa tea. But it sure is mine. :thumbsup: