Deep Purple influence on Heavy Metal?

[primusfan1989]

So, some say D.P. influenced a lot of Heavy Metal bands!~
I'm not hearing it.

Just because you don't hear it, doesn't mean that its not the case. Blackmore's guitar work was the prototypical shred thing(influenced everyone that came after him in that world), Ian Gillan's screams, John Lord plugging his hammond into a Marshall and driving the piss out of it creating a sound like nobody has ever heard.

Were they "heavy metal"? Not so much but they most definitely laid groundwork for that genre. Most people who study the subject agree, hence why every doc on the subject mentions them.

Like I personally don't hear the clash in any punk music nor do I even consider them a Punk band, however to ignore their influence over that genre would be wrong IMO

 

[Killed_by_Death]

The Damned were more Punk than The Clash.
There are less than a handful of songs from DP that might be considered proto-Heavy Metal. Take a look at that Hush video I just posted & tell me it influenced Heavy Metal, LMAO!

Jon Lord completely eradicated DP as "Heavy Metal", IMHO.

Rainbow was more Heavy Metal than DP.

 

[ajkula66]

Everybody in the first part of that video has the same dance moves.

Heh...DP went from starting as a "Vanilla Fudge wannabe" to the loudest hard rock band on planet when they were in their prime. While I don't see them as being HM themselves, I could definitely hear their influence on the genre.

That being said, we all have different ideas of what the term means. To me, BOC's first album is one of the most important roots of what I deem to be HM.

To each their own.

 

[Michedelic]

17-Jul-68
Hush is released:



kind of proving my point in the OP

While I agree with you in principle, that’s the first line-up of the band, different singer and bassist, more pop oriented, but with some prog-ish flourishes. At that point they were comparable to Vanilla Fudge, kind of a heavy baroque psychedelia, with a lot of covers, but they ‘reimagined’ those tunes. However, I often see the Fudge tagged as ‘heavy metal’, Iron Butterfly as well, which I have to question. Heavy, perhaps, but not metal heavy. I always liked DP Mk I on their own merits; if you out there know nothing beyond “Hush”, check this out...



https://youtu.be/Jt2W1MGwrwM
Of course, they were notorious thieves, just ask It’s A Beautiful Day’s David LaFlamme.

 

[Michedelic]

Everybody in the first part of that video has the same dance moves.

Like people don’t now?

 

[eb2]

I would only consider Mk I influential indirectly. Most metal guitar players at least 20-30 years ago were almost universally into Blackmore.

 

[Michedelic]

The Damned were more Punk than The Clash.
There are less than a handful of songs from DP that might be considered proto-Heavy Metal. Take a look at that Hush video I just posted & tell me it influenced Heavy Metal, LMAO!

Jon Lord completely eradicated DP as "Heavy Metal", IMHO.

Rainbow was more Heavy Metal than DP.

“Hush” was more of an influence on the Charlatans UK...

 

[HaphAsSard]

It may be rooted in soul and psychedelia, but you gotta love how a fusion of Nancy Sinatra (who sang in the original, with and penned by Lee Hazlewood) and Igor Stravinsky ("Rites of Spring") accidentally invents doom metal:

It has the seeds of "No Quarter", "Black Sabbath" (the song, which is also reminiscent of Gustav Holst's "Mars, the Bringer of War") and "In the Court of the Crimson King", all at the same time. (And more than a little early Yes.) All the while, relying on distorted bass more than guitar.

Among Vanilla Fudge's sympathisers and alumni (among the former, Keith Emerson covered their arrangement of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" with the Nice, live; Jeff Beck later on made a power trio with their rhythm section), the most slavish/ahem, dedicated were Deep Purple, as said, and Uriah Heep. Both managed to make that style their own, as well as pass on some lessons to metalheads:

 

[jerry]

It may be rooted in soul and psychedelia, but you gotta love how a fusion of Nancy Sinatra (who sang in the original, with and penned by Lee Hazlewood) and Igor Stravinsky ("Rites of Spring") accidentally invents doom metal:

It has the seeds of "No Quarter", "Black Sabbath" (the song, which is also reminiscent of Gustav Holst's "Mars, the Bringer of War") and "In the Court of the Crimson King", all at the same time. (And more than a little early Yes.) All the while, relying on distorted bass more than guitar.

Among Vanilla Fudge's sympathisers and alumni (among the former, Keith Emerson covered their arrangement of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" with the Nice, live; Jeff Beck later on made a power trio with their rhythm section), the most slavish/ahem, dedicated were Deep Purple, as said, and Uriah Heep. Both managed to make that style their own, as well as pass on some lessons to metalheads:

Uriah Heep are one of the most overlooked heavy bands from that era. You can hear their link to bands like Iron Maiden etc. IMHO

 

[58kites]

I'm old enough to have been there for the first records from Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Led Zep, Hendrix, Cream, Yardbirds, etc.
I think the metal singers who try to sound operatic-ish like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden got that from Ian Gillian.
I've read comments from a number metal bands guitar players say that Richie Blackmore was a big influence.
I was never a big Deep Purple fan but I do see the reason that they get listed as a metal influence.

 

[primusfan1989]

There are less than a handful of songs from DP that might be considered proto-Heavy Metal. Take a look at that Hush video I just posted & tell me it influenced Heavy Metal, LMAO!

Jon Lord completely eradicated DP as "Heavy Metal", IMHO.

Rainbow was more Heavy Metal than DP.

I'd argue you havent listen to enough deep purple if you only think it's like 5 songs...further they only needed one imo (highway star)

You're basing your opinion on the first incarnation of the bands hit single in late 60s. Are you holding Judas priest to the same standard? Their first record they look and sound like hippies yet nobody is really arguing what they did for the genre

I'd argue one of the heaviest things about deep purple was john lord

 

[Benj-jammin]

"Egocentric Molecules" - Jean Luc-Ponty/Cosmic Messenger - Ralphe Armstrong, bassist from Detroit. For me personally, this is flat out the best overall playing and solo I've ever heard in my life in a song. RA was 22 when he played on this, and a good portion of this sounds unplayable to me, even if you're a top level pro. It came out in 1978, and it sounds like it was made yesterday, never gets old.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

listen to enough deep purple if you only think it's like 5 songs

I've listened to a fair bit when I was younger, & there were less than 5 songs that I liked from their pre-Heavy Metal era (before Black Sabbath). Perfect Strangers was actually a great album, however.

Are you holding Judas priest to the same standard? Their first record they look and sound like hippies

For at least a year now they've been advertising themselves as "50 years of Heavy Metal", & I just shake my head every time I read it!

I'd argue one of the heaviest things about deep purple was john lord

Come on, at least spell the man's name correctly & with capitals. He was Jon Lord, Lord of the Keys!
If you think Lord was the heaviest thing about Purple, you are likely in the minority.
Ask anyone if organ music is Heavy Metal & watch their faces contort!

 

[silky smoove]

Ask anyone if organ music is Heavy Metal & watch their faces contort!

It worked pretty well for Opeth through their death phase, their commercial phase and their current prog phase, so...

 

[Killed_by_Death]

It's perfectly fine in Prog-Rock, but not Death-Metal. Blackwater Park has some piano, but it's not full-on organ music like Deep Purple.

 

[58kites]

Rainbow was more Heavy Metal than DP.

Because that's what Richie Blackmore did in 1975 after the 1969-1973 Deep Purple lineup, the one considered to be one of three bands to start heavy metal.
I think there were a lot more bands to contribute to the early development of heavy metal.
But everyone these days seems to agree Black Sabbath was the original prototype.

I think Jon Lord's very powerful sounding organ rig could easily have contributed ominous sounds to some Black Sabbath songs.
When Black Sabbath did decide to start using keyboards, they would have been very lucky to get Jon Lord to do it because their keyboard work did not really add anything great.

 

[primusfan1989]

less than 5 songs that I liked from their pre-Heavy Metal era

Just because you don't like them dimities the influence that they had

For at least a year now they've been advertising themselves as "50 years of Heavy Metal", & I just shake my head every time I read it!

Not sure what that has to do with...well anything pertaining to this conversation.

Come on, at least spell the man's name correctly & with capitals. He was Jon Lord, Lord of the Keys!
If you think Lord was the heaviest thing about Purple, you are likely in the minority.
Ask anyone if organ music is Heavy Metal & watch their faces contort!

I said one of the heaviest things, not the heaviest thing about DP, you were sharp enough to pick out my typo, you could at least accurately read and respond to what I wrote. I never said organ music was heavy metal, only that Jon Lords use of the electric organ was heavy (as was Vanilla Fudge's use of the instrument). Like maybe its not heavy to you from the context your are viewing this situation, in the context of 1971, Hammond organ into a Marshall created a sound like that was pretty heavy, ask anyone who was there for its appearance in popular music and they'd agree.

Furthermore JS Bach wrote some pretty heavy music for the organ. Did Bach, Deep Purple and so on... make heavy metal music? No. Was their music capable of being heavy and influential on musicians who made Heavy Metal music...yes

 

[primusfan1989]

You don't have to like Deep Purple's music, but to say they weren't influential on Heavy Metal music just isn't correct.

 

[devnulljp]

If you were to go way back, I think you'd find that Slayer started out sounding like Venom.

And Venom were taking Motorhead and turning the dial up further. And Motorhead (and ACDC) both did that to Chuck Berry's style.
Metallica lifted a lot from Budgie and Diamond Head, but again just turned up the dial. All the NWOBHM bands were lifting from Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath. It's an evolution, so of course if you compare something from the very earliest days to something made last week there's going to be a disconnect.

 

[Killed_by_Death]

Not sure what that has to do with...well anything pertaining to this conversation.

If you can't understand, this conversation is over. You're just here to argue. I'm not biting anymore, have a good day!