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Desecration of the GS112, the sequel

#24
I just put in a DeltaLite 2512 in one of my GS112's and really like the sound. The report on this thread was dead on. I especially like playing the stock and modified aggies together thou I prefer the delta cab when playing just one. Now I just did this friday nite so I need some time with this but so far it sounds great. The mids are more articulated and the lows punchier but I don't believe they are as fat sounding. Need some more time with it to make a more intelligent assessment.
When I first read this thread, it gave me the idea of buying a deltalite 10" and putting it in my Workingman 10. That made it a real keeper. (I was going to sell it) Love those neo's :hyper: :hyper:
 
#27
steamthief said:
rok51, you still digging the replacement driver? I think I may have fried the speaker in my GS112 (farting when really digging in fingerstyle), and I wonder if I should try the Deltalite?
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Absolutely! What I had posted earlier still rings true for me...plus I have had ample time to get over the "Emperor's New Clothes syndrome" ;)
For me, the mod was a perfect, if originally unintended, change...no, repeat, no downsides that I have encountered to date.
I have used the Aggies in pairs and singly with my ThunderFunk (I'm waiting to sell my PLX1602 and order an 1804 before I trudge the F-1X rig out again...) with excellent results both indoors and out.

Would I do it again? You betcha!

Kim
 
#29
steamthief said:
Kim, looking at the specs I notice the Deltalite is 250w, while the OEM Aggie driver is rated at 300w. Any implications or impact I should be aware of there? Volume levels/sensitivity similar between drivers?
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I had considered that before messing with anything. The 250/300 watt ratings are the 'continuous' ratings. Eminence is traditionally pretty conservative here. That said, neodymium magnets are more adversely affected by heat than ceramic magnets...in our application is it likely to make a difference? I don't think so. The 'program' ratings of each speaker are approximately twice the continuous ratings...or 500 watts for the Deltalite and 600 watts for the OEM. The Deltalite is noticeably more efficient than the OEM driver...it gets louder with less power. My ThunderFunk is rated at 500 watts into 4 ohms-that would be two GS112s-each getting a maximum of 250 watts(not continuous watts because of our program material). I can tell you that I have never, ever come close to 'clocking' that amp/cab combination...it's just too bloody loud! When running my F-1X/ PLX1602 combination, I ran the PLX bridged into 4 ohms...potentially 1600 watts. But...I was just barely 'tickling' the -10db lights on the amp(let's call it somewhere in the vicinity of 200 watts)...I wasn't using a whole lot of power to get blisteringly loud.
So, in answer to your question-yes, there is a difference in power handling between the Deltalite and OEM drivers. Does it make a difference in our real world application? I honestly don't think so-plus the added efficiency of the Deltalites is a bonus.

Kim
 
#30
Kim, thanks for all of your info, you've been a great help. I'm going to do a little exploratory surgery on my cab right now, and I'm a complete noob at this. Anything that I shouldn't touch inside the box?

Oops, also forgot to ask one more tone question. The OEM speaker, for lack of a better term, sounds "vintagey" to me; does the Deltalite, in your opinion, project a more "hi-fi" sound? My main bass is a Fender P/J.
 
#31
This might be a great alternative to the new DB112.

Since the DB112 is will probably be over $500.00, you could get a GS112 used for about $250
and a 2512 for $125 from eBay and probably be very close sonically to the new DB112...
 
#32
steamthief said:
Kim, thanks for all of your info, you've been a great help. I'm going to do a little exploratory surgery on my cab right now, and I'm a complete noob at this. Anything that I shouldn't touch inside the box?

Oops, also forgot to ask one more tone question. The OEM speaker, for lack of a better term, sounds "vintagey" to me; does the Deltalite, in your opinion, project a more "hi-fi" sound? My main bass is a Fender P/J.
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Let me try this again...I just hit the delete after I nearly finished my response, lol!

There's nothing you will hurt inside the cabinet-touch anything you want to (just don't go ripping things out...;) ) There's really not much in there-just the speaker and horn, some polyfiber damping material, two ports, the crossover and some wire. Be sure to notice which lead is positive on your OEM speaker. If you go with the Deltalites, you will cut off the 'spade' connectors on the speaker wires and strip off about a half inch of insulation-the Deltalites have nice, five way binding posts and don't need the clips. When installing the speaker screws go slowly and tighten them evenly in a cross pattern.

I agree with you on the 'vintage' sound of the OEM driver...it's one of the things that caused me to fall in love with the little Aggies. Several of my bandmates implored me not to change a thing in the cabs. But I did. The universal response? "I can't believe it, but they sound better!" Now I must add that these are g*%&#r players, so take that with a grain of salt :D The Deltalites brought more articulate mids to the table-without losing the vintage vibe. I didn't need to boost mids to cut through the mix anymore...they were just 'there'. But I could cut them some If I chose...and was right back to the OEM sound. And...the Deltalites go even deeper than the OEM driver did :eek: I just find that I have more tonal options available...without losing any of those that were part of the cabs originally.

Oh yeah, did I mention that each cab is seven pounds lighter now? :hyper:

Good luck!

Kim
 
#33
I already have a pair of GS112s and could use a few more mids. I'm curious as to whether putting the Deltalite IIs in them will be as much of a gain in mids as the DB112s provide...

Rok51 have you played through the new DB112s? If so how would you compare them to your modified GS112s? Anyone?
 
#34
Wish I could help out there. I haven't seen, much less played through the DB112s. My GS112s do all that I want them to, tonewise. For my purposes, I prefer the port arrangement and covering on the GS series to the DB series...but that's just me.
Honestly, I found the GS's through all of you wonderful TB'ers and I haven't looked back. It's my tone. The Deltalite IIs just made it more articulate in the mids...and made the cabinets five or so pounds lighter. Not a slapper-just meat and potatoes fingerstyle-the 'scooped mids' never really got in my way. Overall, though the Deltalite IIs were a definite improvement, IMHO.

Kim
 
#35
rok51 said:
Wish I could help out there. I haven't seen, much less played through the DB112s. My GS112s do all that I want them to, tonewise. For my purposes, I prefer the port arrangement and covering on the GS series to the DB series...but that's just me.
Honestly, I found the GS's through all of you wonderful TB'ers and I haven't looked back. It's my tone. The Deltalite IIs just made it more articulate in the mids...and made the cabinets five or so pounds lighter. Not a slapper-just meat and potatoes fingerstyle-the 'scooped mids' never really got in my way. Overall, though the Deltalite IIs were a definite improvement, IMHO.

Kim
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I took the plunge, bought a couple and compared them a few minutes ago. Results are in a new thread.

Those are only my first thoughts at low volume and I'm uncertain about differences in booty - it could be the new mids making me think it's a hair thinner at the bottom. I know what you mean by more articulate.
 

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