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Desecration of the GS112, the sequel

rok51

rok51

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Sep 2, 2002
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#1
Well, I have had my Deltalite II 2512s in my Aggie cabs for a while now. I knew that the Deltalites sounded better in a controlled (bedroom) environment, but I wasn't sure that my favorable impressions would be carried on to the stage.

Fear not.

The gigs that the band has played since the conversion have done nothing but to strengthen my conviction that I am one lucky MF.

The enhanced mids have enabled me to 'feel' much more of what I have been playing.

Okay, fess up time here...I never have felt that the stock GS112s have done anything but made my music sound better. I am deeply in love with these cabs. It was not without great trepidation that I put anything beyond the stock driver in the cab. I did, however...after much consultation and mental masturbation. The result, on stage, is hard to describe beyond-****! I thought I had it all, before! The ability to not only hear, but to feel all five strings at close range to the cabs was new. It's the mids. Trust me on this. The Deltalites go deeper. It does help define the low end. But the bump in the mids is what has these cabs happenin' for me now. The band reaction was universal---much better. And this was from a group that implored me not to experiment, because the OEMs were so terrific.

My assessment:

If you have GS112s...do NOT mod them. They are wonderful just as they are. However, if you destroy a driver, seriously put the Eminence Deltalite II 2512 on your short list of replacement drivers.

Kim
 
#4
Supertanker said:
Curious?

How did you destroy your GS112 drivers?
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Good point. I actually did not "destroy" them. One developed a rattle, that I could not locate after trying all of the usual culprits: surround, spider and voice coil. I concluded that something was loose under the dust cap. The speaker still works and handles full power, but the rattle/buzz drove me nuts-think laying a speaker on its back, drop a few dried beans in the cone...and then play a note...
Wasn't sure I'd be able to remove the dust cap without damaging the cone in the process, so I planned to replace the speaker. The other speaker is fine-as are my other two GS112s. I replaced a pair of the drivers rather than just the offending one for consistency, and, admittedly, as an experiment.

Kim
 
#8
Crabby said:
Do tell? I have some static in my signal chain and cant figure it out!
Crabby
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I started with the cables (one of them needed replaced), then the preamp (I bought a new preamp), then the amp (I bought a new amp).

The preamp is noisy (BBE BMax), but the main source was my Stewart World 600 amp. It's done until I get it fixed. Replaced it with a Carvin HD900.
 
#9
hey, since I'm about to buy one of these..... is the Driver in the "NT" tweeter-less version the same as in the classic GS112 and the ports the same etc???
killer price from Guitar Center on the NT.... actually on either/or but I have a 210 I'll be using that give plenty of sparkle
 
#11
I recetly got some bergantinos for my second rig and kept my gs112/112nt setup too. tried swapping heads and speakers at church. finally concluded the rig for my situation is the TF/aggie rig. I play finger style and don't need too much mids and highs. i preferred the lows on the aggies overall!!!

don't get me wrong the bergies are good and lighter, but the tone was not what I needed at my higher church levels.

zapp, yes the woofer on the NT sounds the same as the regular 112. and they add a second port tube, same size cabs too! on both speakers the mids brighten up when you turn it up! for snap/pluck/slap etc...
 
#12
rok51 said:
Well, I have had my Deltalite II 2512s in my Aggie cabs for a while now. I knew that the Deltalites sounded better in a controlled (bedroom) environment, but I wasn't sure that my favorable impressions would be carried on to the stage.

Fear not.

The gigs that the band has played since the conversion have done nothing but to strengthen my conviction that I am one lucky MF.

The enhanced mids have enabled me to 'feel' much more of what I have been playing.

Okay, fess up time here...I never have felt that the stock GS112s have done anything but made my music sound better. I am deeply in love with these cabs. It was not without great trepidation that I put anything beyond the stock driver in the cab. I did, however...after much consultation and mental masturbation. The result, on stage, is hard to describe beyond-****! I thought I had it all, before! The ability to not only hear, but to feel all five strings at close range to the cabs was new. It's the mids. Trust me on this. The Deltalites go deeper. It does help define the low end. But the bump in the mids is what has these cabs happenin' for me now. The band reaction was universal---much better. And this was from a group that implored me not to experiment, because the OEMs were so terrific.

My assessment:

If you have GS112s...do NOT mod them. They are wonderful just as they are. However, if you destroy a driver, seriously put the Eminence Deltalite II 2512 on your short list of replacement drivers.

Kim
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What you've done (IMO) by swapping the speaker is to move the tone of the GS112 to a tone which, from your description, sounds much more like the wonderful Epi112UL's... plenty of low end (like the GS112), but a much more forward and complex midrange response that results in more punch and cut-through on the gig, and a better 'near field' sound for monitoring on-stage.
 
#13
Sounds like a good modification. I had a GS112 for a while and had difficulty cutting through a dense mix due to the lack of mids. The more forward mids of the deltalite seems like it would be a step up. Not to mention the weight savings. I have a kappalite 15" in a small cab and it sounds great. The new line of eminence neos seems to work great for bass.
 
#14
Kim, I'm curious now...

What is the difference in weight, between the stock driver & the Deltalight II? Also, how my GS112's do you run? I run 1 GS112 & 1 NT. Like you, I enjoy mine very much. I do recognize the tonal characteristics which some folks dislike.

What I'm left wondering is, if I swapped out the driver on GS112... & left the NT as it is, might I have the best of both worlds? Ie, benefit from the hump, w/o alterning the current tone signature too much.
 
#17
i think its a fine mod to try if you have tone wanderlust. i mean our 6 stringed brethren experiment with different drivers all the time. its a reversible mod, so i mean if i had gs112's and i was curious with money to spare, i'd try it out. and if i like it..perfect..if i didn't then i'd swap the originals back in with see if anyone else wanted to try at a used price.

thanks for sharing to the OP
 
#18
I read the original post because i have a GS112. The GS112 is fine and I will leave it alone but the difference it made on the GS112 is what I wanted to get out of my SWR Workiingman 10. Bought a 10" Deltlite that week on the Bay for 59 dollars and absolutely love the results. Better lows and clearer mids plus the workingman 10 is know 6 lbs lighter.
The same day I bought the speaker, one of our members had 2 12" Deltalites that he wanted to do a trade. I got them and put them in my Tech Soundsystems CT212. Added more clarity and clearer mids. Sounds great with my GS112 and this cab know has gone from 58 lbs to 44 lbs. Just 2 lbs heavier than the GS112. In the last month all my my amps know sound much better!!! of course I also just switched out my SWR 350 redface to a LMII.

I bought all of my gear without trying any of them first but on recomendations from talkbass members. Thanks for all of the good advice!!!
 
#19
McHack said:
Kim, I'm curious now...

What is the difference in weight, between the stock driver & the Deltalight II? Also, how my GS112's do you run? I run 1 GS112 & 1 NT. Like you, I enjoy mine very much. I do recognize the tonal characteristics which some folks dislike.

What I'm left wondering is, if I swapped out the driver on GS112... & left the NT as it is, might I have the best of both worlds? Ie, benefit from the hump, w/o alterning the current tone signature too much.
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The weight difference is seven pounds. I usually run two GS112s at a time. I have run four on a few occasions, but it was overkill. Tone is such a personal thing, it's hard to know if something that I like would please your ear. For me, I wasn't doing anything that would not be reversible. That was important (very much so). I had another use for the Deltalites, if I didn't like them in the Aggies. Over the years, I have swapped numerous OEM drivers out for different replacements. Some represented an improvement...others did not. The tech folks at Eminence had previously guided me in finding replacements for OEM drivers and on each occasion, I had been more than pleased with the outcome. This was an experiment that exceeded my expectations, in all honesty, in every possible way. For me, that is rare.

Kim
 
#20
On a similar note, I've replaced the speakers in a 2x12 cab I have with these same speakers, and have also had great luck. I know it's technically wrong, because I didn't do any analysis to see if the speakers had even similar specs, I just bolted them in. Well, to my ears, the results were well worth it.
 

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