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DI box with a speaker cab emulation?

#21
FLAME ON!
sorry i just wanted to make a Fantastic Four reference (the comic, not the aweful films, i dont want to reference them)

i did not know that about the Behringer Ultra DI, and the fact that the emulation is selectable would be pretty handy incase it sucks my lows away - i can just switch it off.
I dont really have any understanding with technical stuff, i never understood why radial stuff was so expensive even tho all the venues ive played at used the cheapest DI's possible.
I want a Radial, but i cant tell you why, im just sure its better. I want the DBX coz ive heard its just as good as its equivalent Radial DI, but half the price.

The Behringer looks realy promising, kinda like the Palmer did, but i can have it at the end of my chain as oposed to between amp and cab - I hope!!? the only thing is, is it gonna rob my lows like playing through a guitar cab would?

If you have access to some recording facilities, is it possible for you to demo the DI on bass, switching between emulation on and off, no worries if you cant, tho.

Also, Phantom Power, to me its as mysterious as its name. As its been kinda explained to me: it runs off the power of the mixing desk? if the desk lets it? the Ultra DI also has an internal battery - sorry thats a bit off topic.
 
#22
all the speaker sim is is a couple of resistors that create a low pass filter. it just takes the high frequency response down a notch to mimic the high end response of a guitar type 12" speaker. in my opinion they did a good job. i think it sounds pretty good for high gain guitar type stuff. i have used it mostly live. you can run it anywhere in your chain. (beginning, end, or between the amp and cab) the phantom power option is very nice. the unit will take its power through the xlr cable coming from the mixing board. (if the board has phantom power, most do these days) for bass i still keep a behringer ultra di around for a backup (the big silver one w/out the cab sim) i have found it to be a good "what goes in comes out" type di.

i don't believe the cab sim will cut the low end. i am pretty sure it just affects the high end. it also has a thru output so you can send the speaker sim to the board and the unaffected out to your amp. i will say i typically hate behringer stuff but their ultra di's are great little jewels.

sorry about the sound clips, but i just don't have the time to do it.
 
#24
Ah, I just remembered one more option. You can replace your Opto Stomp with a Diamond Compressor! It has an internal jumper to activate a 5kHz low pass filter, much like a speaker sim.

It's even yellow and about the same size! This is a really good pedal, I reckon it will get more popular around here once Bongo gets around to reviewing one...
 
#25
well i couldnt find one for sale in the uk, and the tonefactor price was like $186 or something, which (including postage and tax) is about £100 if not more. The Lowpass filter is a really good idea, but unless its got a parallel out and an XLR-out then im still gonna have to get a DI as well!

I mentioned that i had a MicroPOG on the way, well it was for my anniversary, but not only did my girlfriend get me the MicroPOG, she also got me a Guyatone The Fuzz TZ-2.
still waiting for the Boss LS-2, i have no space on my board!

i need some more patch leads.
 
#26
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hmm, looks like if i do get a DI, i wont be able to put it on my board anyway. Its gonna have to sit on my amp.

i need more room, but i dont wanna sell anything
 
#29
I did a pink noise analysis of the beringer speaker sim...it DOES drop the lows a little, and dip the mids slightly - if I recall. Not much though. Theres a little bit more going on there than simple lowpass.

I'm in similar position to OP.....I need a 'fully' lowpassed signal at about 5k to send to soundman at larger places, while having a slightly different chain into my rig which has a natural roll off at about 5k (it has 6 inch mids).

signal chain
English Muffn > BDDI (40-50% blend) > Carvin B1500 EQ

I don;t like blend more than 50% on the BDDI - but I do like a bit of its fudge browness - but at 50% theres still too much junk coming out above 4-5k to send direct.

I just ordered the VT bass.

I'll try that in place of the BDDI. Or, run the preamp out from the carvin into the VT Bass, and give that to the soundguy.

I don;t mind a bit of variance in what the PA gets vs my rig....but too much sizzle from the overdrive is a bit issues. But I don't like things too vintage muffly either.

Micing is awkward because my cab is customized PA cab with woofers and mids....though its totally possible to stick the mic near the woofers and mids to get both - but its good to keeps things simple on stage.

I could get a brighter 15 for the bottom cab and have engineers stick a mic in front of that. The latest traynor 115 is specced from 45 - 5k at -3db so this could be quite a nice clear sounding 15.
 
#30
I have do have a DI speaker sim box from that cool chinese company....moen..... forgot about that actually!!!... it also rolls off a bit under 50hz if I recall.....still a lot of PA's are highpassed at 30 or whatever so as a way to give the FOH a speakersimmed signal this may work fine. It is not a thin sounding pedal, quite the opposite.

A big beefy A or B is mainly in the second harmonic at 50hz-60hz.

Magman said:
I did a pink noise analysis of the beringer speaker sim...it DOES drop the lows a little, and dip the mids slightly - if I recall. Not much though. Theres a little bit more going on there than simple lowpass.

I'm in similar position to OP.....I need a 'fully' lowpassed signal at about 5k to send to soundman at larger places, while having a slightly different chain into my rig which has a natural roll off at about 5k (it has 6 inch mids).

signal chain
English Muffn > BDDI (40-50% blend) > Carvin B1500 EQ

I don;t like blend more than 50% on the BDDI - but I do like a bit of its fudge browness.

I just ordered the VT bass.

I'll try that in place of the BDDI. Or, run the preamp out from the carvin into the VT Bass, and give that to the soundguy.

I don;t mind a bit of variance in what the PA gets vs my rig....but too much sizzle from the overdrive is a bit issues. But I don't like things too vintage muffly either.

Micing is awkward because my cab is customized PA cab with woofers and mids....though its totally possible to stick the mic near the woofers and mids to get both.

I could get a brighter 15 for the bottom cab and have engineers stick a mic in front of that. The latest traynor 115 is specced from 45 - 5k at -3db so this could be quite a nice clear sounding 15.
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#31
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here it is. Nice sounding and sturdy pedal.....and very cheap as well!

Magman said:
I have do have a DI speaker sim box from that cool chinese company....moen..... forgot about that actually!!!... it also rolls off a bit under 50hz if I recall.....still a lot of PA's are highpassed at 30 or whatever so as a way to give the FOH a speakersimmed signal this may work fine. It is not a thin sounding pedal, quite the opposite.

A big beefy A or B is mainly in the second harmonic at 50hz-60hz.
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#32
wow, the moen buffalo looks really cool, I just got the Behringer Ultra-G for pretty much half price (it was listed used on ebay). Its a shame that the speaker sim does cut the lows. Im going to A/B the sim on/off round my mates studio when i get a chance, just to see how much low and mids it drops. My general tone is pretty aggressive, so if it drops a little of the mids, then i dont mind so much, but if i feel it does truly suck, i might have a look at the Moen, even if it does roll off some lows, i could use it as a headphone amp, and its got a parametric mid and an XLR out, and knowing moen, its probably not that expensive,
thanks Magman
 

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