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Did Coldplay rip off Satriani?

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#102
frozilla said:
Honestly I don't think so.
That's a common progression, and like Scotch said, I sincerely doubt Martin has even HEARD any of Satch's music.
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The progression is also played in the same rhythm, at nearly the same tempo, and with an freakishly similar melody on top.

And I would be a million dollars that Martin has heard some of Satch's music before. Most pop/rock musicians have, even the metro sexual, emasculated British/Coldplay types. :D
 
#103
Nyarlathotep said:
Personally I think Russia has the right idea with NO COPYRIGHTS AT ALL.
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Surely you are joking on this. Copyrights are vital. Imagine that some author wrote an entire book, and some other person doesn't like the way it ends in the last chapter. So they take the whole novel, change the last chapter, and republish it as their own work. Everyone knows it, but since it's not illegal, it's no big deal. Perhaps most people even agree and like the new last-chapter better. So the republished work makes a millionaire of the person who only changed one chapter, and the original author who put years of blood, sweat and tears into developing the story, the characters, the place setting, and everything else has nothing.

Just one EASY example of why that doesn't work.

No copyrights...that's NOT the answer. Sensible protection of artistic work is important.

And remember, all this material does go into the public domain after a period of time, which is also sensible.
 
#105
the ignorant masses. said:
I doubt Coldplay has even heard any of Satriani's music.
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Puh-leeeeze?!?
Wake up and smell the big picture.
How many of us go through our daily lives bombarded by music that we have no control over?
Shopping malls (each retailer running their own + the main concourse), Music retailers, Guitar Centers (or any other gear store), Busses, Cabs, etc., etc., etc.......!!!!!
Whether you're into it or not you hear it, and on one level or another process it.

Now imagine you're in a platinum selling band. Let's add Record company offices, Recording studios, Pre-show mixes, Award shows, etc., etc., etc. to that list.

Is your feeble view of the world so narrow that you can't imagine there was probably some Satriani music in there somewhere?!? :eyebrow::eyebrow::eyebrow:

Martin may not have intentionally listened nor purposefully stole, but there are just too many "coincidences" in one track for me to believe there isn't a connection.

With the amount of media we all deal with on a daily bassis that is either grabbing our attention or just playing in the background there is no way any of us could be 100% sure that something we "write" is truly our own.
 
#106
Nyarlathotep said:
Personally I think Russia has the right idea with NO COPYRIGHTS AT ALL.
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I don't think Russia has no copyrights at all, not even before Gorbachev. If they really do, I have no understanding of socialism at all :) I think they didn't have "patents", not "copyrights"

But if you are talking about piracy of the creative work in all forms (film, music, etc) and you are saying you condone this.. Well.. That's another story :)
 
#107
WJGreer said:
This is where I'm at too. The choice of the melody over those chord changes is less than random, that melody makes sense. And it's a simple one, it's not like someone copied Flight of the Bumblebee.
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And the winner is....



CAT STEVENS!

wow!


I remember years ago hearing a documentary involving interviews with various artists...

dudes like Mark Knopfler, Elvis Costello, and Pete Townshend were amongst the list...

I specifically remember Elvis Costello stating how everyone steals from everyone else...that's how music progresses...
He's absolutely correct!

let's get back to making music and stop trying to OWN it...after all, we all know Al Gore invented rock and roll ;)
 
#108
Does anyone remember the Vanilla Ice (Ice Ice Baby)/Queen (Under Pressure) debate from a ways back?

I always loved Ice's response to the controversy:

"Their song goes 'dun dun dun dada dun dun'. Mine goes 'da dun dun dun dada dun dun'." :rolleyes: LOL!!!

IIRC, Vanilla Ice lost that one... :D
 
#109
Buskman said:
Does anyone remember the Vanilla Ice (Ice Ice Baby)/Queen (Under Pressure) debate from a ways back?

I always loved Ice's response to the controversy:

"Their song goes 'dun dun dun dada dun dun'. Mine goes 'da dun dun dun dada dun dun'." :rolleyes: LOL!!!

IIRC, Vanilla Ice lost that one... :D
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It was settled out of court (like most of these cases).
 
#115
Eublet said:
Surely you are joking on this.
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Only if cover bands aren't still getting sharted on :D

musicelectronix said:
I don't think Russia has no copyrights at all, not even before Gorbachev. If they really do, I have no understanding of socialism at all :) I think they didn't have "patents", not "copyrights"

But if you are talking about piracy of the creative work in all forms (film, music, etc) and you are saying you condone this.. Well.. That's another story :)
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Russia does not have any IIRC. Thats why sites like UG can exist. Russian hosting FTW.

And that's all im gonna say :D
 
#117
swartzfeger said:
I guess you never heard of iTunes, Amazon, Napster ad infinitum.



Completely anecdotal but *hot DAMN*, what a COMPELLING argument! Maybe you can become a celebrity lawyer!



Excuse me as I pick up my jaw from the floor -- I'm stunned by this completely relevant argument. My god, the album was *awful* -- you can surely leverage this incredible legal knowledge into a career in law, or at the very least as an 'expert witness.'

Lol Dan, thanks for the good laugh. Seriously! :)
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"Waaaaahhh! Someone made fun of one of my favorites! Waaaaahhh!"

Being available on Itunes and Amazon doesn't mean a lot of people have heard it. I never heard it until this lawsuit thing. I've talked to a lot of people, including fans of Satch, that have never heard it. And really, the changes are so basic and the melody so simple and dull that there's no possible way Satch can claim that he was the first to write it. Satch has done great work in the past...this ain't one of them. I'm no fan of Coldplay but any 1st year musicologist could destroy Satch in court.

So get over yourself and realize that not everyone likes what you like.
 
#118
JimmyM said:
Being available on Itunes and Amazon doesn't mean a lot of people have heard it.
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As a guy whose CD is available from both of those retailers, I can absolutely confirm that this is true.

JimmyM said:
Really, the changes are so basic and the melody so simple and dull that there's no possible way Satch can claim that he was the first to write it.
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+1

As I was eating lunch with my wife today, I told her about this thread. She likes Coldplay, just like most women in their mid 30s. I said, "hey, I heard that Joe Satriani has sued Coldplay for copyright infringement related to their Viva La Vida tune."

Guess what the next thing she said was.
 
#119
WJGreer said:
As a guy whose CD is available from both of those retailers, I can absolutely confirm that this is true.

+1

As I was eating lunch with my wife today, I told her about this thread. She likes Coldplay, just like most women in their mid 30s. I said, "hey, I heard that Joe Satriani has sued Coldplay for copyright infringement related to their Viva La Vida tune."

Guess what the next thing she said was.
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A. "I heard he gave lessons to Larry LaLonde from Primus"?

or...

B. "He's a brilliant guitarist but he should never sing"?

or...

C. "Who's Joe Satriani?"
 
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