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Dig in and turn down, or play light and turn up?

Play heavy and turn down? Or play light and turn up?

  • Play heavy and turn down

    Votes: 53 33.5%
  • Play light and turn up

    Votes: 105 66.5%

  • Total voters
    158
Depends on the genre.. some require a more percussive sound...

OVERALL... lighten up and turn up.... you have more control.. there's more opportunity to use dynamics and some very cool technique.

There are tons of things you can do with a sissy touch that playing heavy won't allow for.

OPINION --- have one bass setup for playing heavy and percussive and another for light touch.
 
Good point! I guess my point is that anyone and everyone can Rake. However, it is very rare that I encounter players that have invested the time into learning how to alternate the index and middle fingers with a 'light' touch consistently...which is a shame because it's a game changer. It is the first thing I straighten out with the players I teach.
 
Of course, but if you want to sound like Entwistle, such technique won't work.
But that's an extreme example. Most of the time a light touch will sound similar to a heavier hand with
some volume/EQ adjustments, but if you desire the far end of aggressive playing then no gear switch will suffice.
At least, that's what I've gathered...
Honestly, I don't think Entwistle played very hard. He plucked up at the neck using extremely low action and brand new strings. I think it sometimes looks like he's playing hard, and it sounds like he's playing hard, but I don't think he is.
 
One thing about turning up and playing lightly, though, is that it can make notes sound uneven in volume or attack until you get used to it. Sometimes I've had to turn down in order to play a tad harder so that I could be more even with some passages. There is a point at which turning up can be too far. Also, fret and string noise must be more controlled at higher volume, too.
 
I cannot vote. or If I could it would be to turn up.

As a very skilled bassist with very little gigging experience on base, I can't really say what works best in the "real world". But I'd say to turn up no matter what. Not to say that louder is better, but I notice when playing on my Fender Rumble 15 in my basement, Everything feels easier when I turn it up almost to max. I play quite aggressively, too, so it's not that I simply don't get what I need at lower volumes. The thing is, if it's too quiet, and you try to dig in to "compensate", then you get frustrated and fatigued when it's not loud enough. You feel like the lack of power is due to your playing than your amp, and you work harder to accomplish nothing. When it's nice and loud, it doesn't matter how hard you're playing, you get a nice, full-bodied sound from your speakers, and there really isn't a whole lot of dynamic difference between a light touch and an aggressive touch. Or rather, if your softest touch isn't too loud, you get used to an aggressive touch also not being too loud. You get into a sense of changing your playing style for feel, rather than dynamics. There's a "right" level for an amp for every particular venue, and sound check is for setting it to that. Your softs are soft, and your hards are hard, and you just adjust your playing to how the song should sound, and you shouldn't need to touch your amp.

In terms of an aggressive touch itself, You probably shouldn't play so as to try to push everything out of your bass as possible. I know this is sort of a cop-out word, but the playing has to be "Controlled". Like, you play a little more aggressively to add punch when your bass part is more forward, but when you're just laying down the bass, you don't need to play as hard, and just let the volume carry the strength of the sound. Playing styles should have nothing to do with volume. If you need to play hard IN ORDER to be heard, you need to turn your amp up. You never should be turning down unless your aggressive playing is too loud, in which case, everything's probably too loud. Playing hard should be that extra push for when you need the bass part to come out. Your touch should never be a blanket "I play hard" or "I play light". You play what you need to for the sound and feel you need from your instrument, not for volume or audibility.

Just what I think. Again, I haven't played Bass much in public, although I've done a fair amount of guitar and singing, but I do play a lot, so I think I know SOMETHING about how this works.
 
@ Chili Evans, the answer is Yes! Action as low as it can go without buzz.

Russel L - if a player has great right and left hand technique, the problems you sighted are a non factor imo. Those are issues caused by the players technique, not amp volume.
 
Yes! Action as low as it can go without buzz.

Slightly off-topic question, but does style factor into that too? If you play more aggressively, the strings will vibrate wider, thus being more likely to hit the fretboard. So would a more aggressive playing style necessitate a higher action? I have to put my action pretty high, and my E still kind of flaps against it at times. Does this have to do with playing style, or would it just need a set-up?
 
Honestly, I don't think Entwistle played very hard. He plucked up at the neck using extremely low action and brand new strings. I think it sometimes looks like he's playing hard, and it sounds like he's playing hard, but I don't think he is.

And you're right - Townsend said in many interviews that Entwistle would turn up and compress the bass and play with a light touch to get more speed.
 

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