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Disheartened at lack of progress

Hi, I've been taking bass lessons 2 years, and tbh I'm just not making the progress I'd hoped for. Practicing about an hour a day, yet I struggle with simple things I should have down by now, and learning anything new seems to take an age.

Wondering if I'm just not cut out for it, but I really WANT to play well. I'm middle aged and on my last lesson the tutor quipped he teaches an 11 year old who picks up things faster than me, which has further damaged my confidence.

I don't know whether I should just give up and pack it in, find a new tutor, or just come to terms with my own mediocrity. I'm pretty disappointed in myself right now.
Advice welcome!
 
Stop treating it like homework or a job with a deadline?

How often do you simply turn on a playlist of stuff you enjoy listening to so you can just plunk along? So what if "it sucks" or "isn't even close"? You are still working on the timing, and repetition os some of the songs might have you figuring out some lines by ear.

Do you woodshed with a metronome or drum beats? Set the tempo really slow; like 60 or 80 BPM. Try and stop watching your left hand.
 
Wondering if I'm just not cut out for it, but I really WANT to play well. I'm middle aged and on my last lesson the tutor quipped he teaches an 11 year old who picks up things faster than me, which has further damaged my confidence.

Wow, first off, find a new instructor/tutor. I'm no expert but I coached enough soccer seasons for all of my kids when they were little and one comment like that can be devastating to someone who's trying. Lack of class IMO and he'd be history immediately.

Next, relax, it seems silly to say but it's music and it should be fun. I'll never be a player that someone says "I want to play just like him" and I often get frustrated at things that don't come to me. But when we play a gig and see an audience having a good time none of that matters.

I'm self taught and the first song I learned was "Just What I Needed" by the Cars. Not really because I was a huge Cars fan but I just realized that listening to it there was a pattern, over and over. Maybe find a song like that and give it a try. Getting that one song down means you learn how some notes go together, tempo, a starting point to play those notes in a different spot on the fretboard, and a good tune to warm up with while you move on to the next one.

Give yourself a break and enjoy the journey, we can't all be Jaco or Geddy :thumbsup:
 
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Find a New Tutor
find a new instructor/tutor.
And again: stop giving that teacher money for making zero difference, and find one who can help you put all your hard work to good use. Finding your prince might require kissing a few more frogs, but the sooner you get looking, the sooner you'll find what you're in need of.
 
Ditch that clown. Over the years I've had a few instructors that 'looked down their nose at me', and I'd tell that jackass I hope he finds a few more 11-year olds to help him pay his bills (but then, WHAT is he doing to those little kids?!?!), as I'm not giving another cent to get talked to like that.

I find you have to (at least I did) find a balance between the technical/intellectual side (the work, the practicing and study) and playing music at your current level (the play, the fun) for one to feed the other. It's quite alright if you're not some technique monster at this point or if you feel you're not a 'natural' at this (though with a teacher like that, how in the hell could you?), but I find the playing is where I found the joy, the buzz, whatever you want to call it. And knowing you can play along with tunes at that level is where you find the hunger to keep working towards whatever you feel is where you need to be. Get that balance right, and one will feed the other.

As with anything, you learn to walk before you can learn to run, and in time you will, and make better progress with someone besides that clown. The best teachers or coaches read each individual as they come, and know what buttons to push to help you get where you want to go, and that is always different one student or athlete to the next. Find THAT guy.
 
Ditch that clown. Over the years I've had a few instructors that 'looked down their nose at me', and I'd tell that jackass I hope he finds a few more 11-year olds to help him pay his bills (but then, WHAT is he doing to those little kids?!?!), as I'm not giving another cent to get talked to like that.

I find you have to (at least I did) find a balance between the technical/intellectual side (the work, the practicing and study) and playing music at your current level (the play, the fun) for one to feed the other. It's quite alright if you're not some technique monster at this point or if you feel you're not a 'natural' at this (though with a teacher like that, how in the hell could you?), but I find the playing is where I found the joy, the buzz, whatever you want to call it. And knowing you can play along with tunes at that level is where you find the hunger to keep working towards whatever you feel is where you need to be. Get that balance right, and one will feed the other.

As with anything, you learn to walk before you can learn to run, and in time you will, and make better progress with someone besides that clown. The best teachers or coaches read each individual as they come, and know what buttons to push to help you get where you want to go, and that is always different one student or athlete to the next. Find THAT guy.

Yeah, am gonna find another tutor. I picked this guy mainly because he was local but due to Covid have had Skype lessons nearly a year anyways... so I may as well find someone else almost anywhere on the planet! As you say, a good teacher can assess the individual and tailor their approach.
 
Wow, first off, find a new instructor/tutor. I'm no expert but I coached enough soccer seasons for all of my kids when they were little and one comment like that can be devastating to someone who's trying. Lack of class IMO and he'd be history immediately.

Next, relax, it seems silly to say but it's music and it should be fun. I'll never be a player that someone says "I want to play just like him" and I often get frustrated at things that don't come to me. But when we play a gig and see an audience having a good time none of that matters.

I'm self taught and the first song I learned was "Just What I Needed" by the Cars. Not really because I was a huge Cars fan but I just realized that listening to it there was a pattern, over and over. Maybe find a song like that and give it a try. Getting that one song down means you learn how some notes go together, tempo, a starting point to play those notes in a different spot on the fretboard, and a good tune to warm up with while you move on to the next one.

Give yourself a break and enjoy the journey, we can't all be Jaco or Geddy :thumbsup:

All good advice! It's not cool to dent someone's confidence just because you (the teacher) are frustrated by them. I'm not going to give up.
 
also: while getting a new teacher may be advisable....
- becoming a musician is not for everyone.
- being humbled by the difficulty of some challenges is common.
- "progress" isn't transferable --- your teacher can't 'make you 'better'.
- the learning part is 100% on you!

if you want anything = don't quit --- but don't assume that you'll get what you want, when you want it, the way you want it! good luck! :thumbsup:
 
Take a break from tutoring and get your head- IN. TO. THE. MUSIC.
Open a playlist of songs you really like and do your level best, by playng along, to learn something from those bass players. Ear training.
Find some musicians, at or above your level, to play with. Agree on just a couple of tunes and see what you and your fellow players can do with just those few. Have some fun. Turn it up!
See if you can find YOUR voice in what you're playing. Sometimes that means playing a song differently from the original. That's OK. BTW.
Go for it.
Life's too short to stress over this.
Have fun.
YMMV....
 
Hi, I've been taking bass lessons 2 years, and tbh I'm just not making the progress I'd hoped for. Practicing about an hour a day, yet I struggle with simple things I should have down by now, and learning anything new seems to take an age.

Wondering if I'm just not cut out for it, but I really WANT to play well. I'm middle aged and on my last lesson the tutor quipped he teaches an 11 year old who picks up things faster than me, which has further damaged my confidence.

I don't know whether I should just give up and pack it in, find a new tutor, or just come to terms with my own mediocrity. I'm pretty disappointed in myself right now.
Advice welcome!

Man.. sometimes things just click after time or someone points you in the right direction. IMO don't focus on being the best or fastest at anything. Focus on sounding good. Improving one's musicianship is a journey that lasts a lifetime.

What is it you're struggling with? If it's a piece just slow down the tempo and focus on what your hands are doing.. you might stumble upon something that's tripping you up and tell you which part of your technique needs practice.

If your woes are technique related.. the most you can do is keep at it, and make sure you're doing everything right. It might seem counterintuitive but don't try to play faster than you're capable of off the bat. Attempt playing just above a comfortable speed for about 5-10 minutes then slow it down 10 bpm or so and see if it's any easier, after you're comfortable with that bump the speed it up to 5bpm. Slow tempos is where muscle memory begins to happen, because you have enough time to examine every last detail of what you're trying to play and eliminate unnecessary movements and bad habits.

Don't be scared of playing the wrong thing.. get comfortable with it.. learn what it sounds like just as much as you'd like to be comfortable with identifying intervals by ear. Ear training and muscle memory come from repetition. Yesterday I gained the most musical insight I've found in quite some time just messing around with the chromatic scale, and listening to the notes relation to my chosen root note. Honestly it helped a lot that I was tweaking a new multi-effects pedal and got some killer tones out of a combination of cab sim, compression and EQ. The enhancement to my tone made me want to play.

Started playing a chord progression I recently came up with to a funk beat on my beatbuddy. Heard Victor Wooten's voice in my head.. "You guys want to know the most important thing you can practice? I guarantee you, you don't practice it. The chromatic scale. " (something like that anyway from his "Groove Workshop" DVD)

The first few times I tried to use that advice, it didn't click. But this time.. holy crap. I was shifting in and out of modes and chords like a madman. I went from funky, to melodic, to jazzy, to dark, then some metal and I sat there for two hours playing lines I didn't know I was capable of. All to a single beat at a reasonable tempo.

You are playing every day. That's good. Better than not picking it up at all. Your teacher should get a grip on the fact that you're not an 11 year old. We all grow at our own pace.

Don't rely on just a tutor.. read every book you can. Always play to a drum beat or a metronome imo, and keep searching for those exercises that make a technique or passage suddenly *CLICK*.

You never stop developing technique, you never stop learning. Every little step.. your hand feels like it's handicapped compared to people who have been doing it for years.. but after you attempt it enough times suddenly *Click" and it's easy. Artificial harmonics.. "How does he do that?" 500 janky muted *plunk* noises later.. *CLICK* you hear that sweet high pitch that you couldn't get with just fretting a note, with a little more practice you know how to do it anytime you want to. You know what it feels like.

Slap.. "thud thud bang bang bang bang.. *snap* *notes ringing out*" day after day .. months later you find an exercise that nobody else offered and within minutes, you are hammering out notes with your thumb like a piano. And on that first note or two where it was done right, you feel how it's done correctly. With more practice, you'll be able to recall that technique at will without having to think about it.

Sorry for the long winded reply.. but don't get discouraged. Musicianship is personal growth. You don't get better by giving up. Enjoy the ride. Have fun with it. Play with drums.. learn to groove with just a metronome. Always focus on the groove..if you miss a note keep the groove going, keep learning your theory, training your ear, and you'll eventually learn how to find your way to the root. JAM with musicians that are better than you every chance you get.

Your tutor isn't helping you improve? Find a new one.. buy some books.. buy some DVDs. Train that ear to hear music theory.
 
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If your goal is to enjoy it and amuse yourself, then you should be able to accomplish that. The skills will come in time. For me - I resigned myself decades ago on both the guitar and bass that I would never be that good. But I can still have fun. And a lot of what I hear as mistakes, no one other than another bass player would probably even notice.

Advice to ditch the teacher is spot on. His comment would have really stung me.

For me, it's picking ONE song I really like and mastering it well enough to play along and enjoy it. Then pick another song etc. Then some self-instruction mixed in to keep it interesting.
 
I'm forced to teach my students (9 - 45 yo) online now and I can see a big difference in what the kids can absorb when we meet and when it's just through skype. Through skype, I am able to show them the technique of fingers, or things that use a lot of thinking (line construction, walking bass, transcription, chords and scales).

I can't grasp a good way to teach them 'musicianship', like listening to others when you play, following the drums, playing with metronome. Why? Because I can't show them where they are strong and where they still have flaws, until we really play together.

This online system is killing the begginers and even for the intermediate students it is way off balanced. I can imagine (just trying to be helpful) that your teacher might be fighting with the same issue, perhaps not very successfully.

To conclude, I'd guess that by now you know enough to be able to play a simple bass line with your musical friends. Say folk, americana, country style. If you have any chance to meet someone willing, play together. If you feel something like 'I'm not good enough yet', you are probably wrong. Playing bass guitar is more a question of motivation than of abilities.

If you can't play with friends, play with playalongs, or with drums. You will find them on youtube or you can buy books. I would not start with jazz or rnb until you are sure you can play something really simple like Folsom Prison Blues. Find a track with no bass. Then find a real musician to practise with. If you can do this, you have enough ground to learn anything else.

In my opinion, till that time, no online teacher will help you much.
 
Hi, I've been taking bass lessons 2 years, and tbh I'm just not making the progress I'd hoped for. Practicing about an hour a day, yet I struggle with simple things I should have down by now, and learning anything new seems to take an age.

Wondering if I'm just not cut out for it, but I really WANT to play well. I'm middle aged and on my last lesson the tutor quipped he teaches an 11 year old who picks up things faster than me, which has further damaged my confidence.

I don't know whether I should just give up and pack it in, find a new tutor, or just come to terms with my own mediocrity. I'm pretty disappointed in myself right now.
Advice welcome!
What really helped me was to learn to disassociate your sense of self worth, identity, etc from your playing....no one can truly reach their full potential with that kind of pressure. Simply play and practice for the sense of enjoyment, love what comes out, whatever comes out and yourself in the process....and you may find things becoming a bit easier, or at least more enjoyable.
 
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Hi, I've been taking bass lessons 2 years, and tbh I'm just not making the progress I'd hoped for. Practicing about an hour a day, yet I struggle with simple things I should have down by now, and learning anything new seems to take an age.

Wondering if I'm just not cut out for it, but I really WANT to play well. I'm middle aged and on my last lesson the tutor quipped he teaches an 11 year old who picks up things faster than me, which has further damaged my confidence.

I don't know whether I should just give up and pack it in, find a new tutor, or just come to terms with my own mediocrity. I'm pretty disappointed in myself right now.
Advice welcome!

Lots of great responses here. Finding a new teacher seems beyond dispute. However, in the meantime, you could “crowdsource” some helpful info just by posting a clip of yourself right here in TB. I’m sure you’d get good feedback and people won’t insult you. I post videos of myself on things I’m working through sometimes and I get great feedback. Pick a tune you love (and within reach of your ability) and post a clip of yourself playing along to it. Keep it up. It’s a process.
 
I had a similar experience playing for a year and a half with a tutor one on one, I changed tutors as I found we weren’t progressing and he would not teach me notation, I found an awesome tutor, a bass player from a band I had seen locally, we Skype and she is amazing, I have been recovering from Lyme disease and have some mental health problems, I explained all this and she has found workarounds for me to help me learn things, I can now read music and have been learning the blues in different keys and using play along tracks from YouTube. Having a good tutor has made a huge difference to me, message me if you want her details, good luck and keep at it
 
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