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Distorted tone, clean low end?

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I definitely see a gap in the market for crossover pedals that are designed for live bass work. I want to use my own choice of pedals to sculpt the sound, so I need a pedal to create both an HPF in/out loop and an LPF in/out loop, then recombine them with volume, phase and crossover controls. The ONLY pedal that does this is the KMA Tyler KMA Machines > Tyler Deluxe. The Broughton and Sugar Britches only provide one in/out loop (meaning you can't treat your LPF chain) and the other suggestions create the loops internally (meaning you can't choose to include your own third party external pedals).
 
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Ric5 said:
it is actually pretty small >>> bass effects (3dentourage.com)

I need to update that web page ... I have made 2 changes to the pedalboard
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That is a very quirky and original pedal board! I can completely see the sense in it though - you have for versions of your sound to treat how you like! How do you switch sounds mid gig? Engaging/disengaging pedals? No phase problems combining the POD DSP latency with the analogue signals from the other pedals?
 
#83
Jamvan said:
It's been mentioned a couple times but the Genzler 4otF pedal will do exactly what you're seeking. The HPF and LPF along with a clean and drive volume allow you to place your distortion or breakup wherever you want in your tonal spectrum. Very easy to use yet versatile pedal.

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This looks great, but it's one of many pedals that created the loop internally, meaning you are stuck 'in' the pedal until the highs and lows have recombined...
 
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Joe Lonsdale said:
I definitely see a gap in the market for crossover pedals that are designed for live bass work. I want to use my own choice of pedals to sculpt the sound, so I need a pedal to create both an HPF in/out loop and an LPF in/out loop, then recombine them with volume, phase and crossover controls. The ONLY pedal that does this is the KMA Tyler KMA Machines > Tyler Deluxe. The Broughton and Sugar Britches only provide one in/out loop (meaning you can't treat your LPF chain) and the other suggestions create the loops internally (meaning you can't choose to include your own third party external pedals).
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The KMA Tyler, and the Umbrella Company Fusion Blender as well.
 
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Joe Lonsdale said:
That is a very quirky and original pedal board! I can completely see the sense in it though - you have for versions of your sound to treat how you like! How do you switch sounds mid gig? Engaging/disengaging pedals? No phase problems combining the POD DSP latency with the analogue signals from the other pedals?
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I fell in love with the bass pod about 2001, but it has too much mid boost. I needed more tone but I didn't want to add pedals in series because the combined tone would suck, so I borrowed a page from Geddy's book and went parallel. A little bit of trial and error got me to where I am at now. more recent additions are the Mel 9 and a echo/reverb pedal.
 
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Joe Lonsdale said:
Thanks for responding :) What this pedal doesn't do is create 2 independently treatable audio loops. This means I can distort my high end but cannot treat the low end (and a clean sub against a distorted high is likely to sound weak without compression).
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Ah, I apologize if I missed that in your earlier responses. I did read them before replying, but I guess didn't pick up on the lack of compression. I'm running an Origin Effects Cali76 TX-L on my board and I figured you were using some form of compression as well. This is quite the sonic puzzle you've given the community!
 
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Erithon said:
Ah, I apologize if I missed that in your earlier responses. I did read them before replying, but I guess didn't pick up on the lack of compression. I'm running an Origin Effects Cali76 TX-L on my board and I figured you were using some form of compression as well. This is quite the sonic puzzle you've given the community!
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The Cali76 looks like a really interesting pedal. I use an 1176 compressor in the studio, mostly on vocals and bass, and would love to try one out live... My "sonic puzzle" got much simpler to unravel as the community responded... what a great forum we have here! I've just ordered an Umbrella Company "Fusion Blend" pedal to create two separate signal chains, one for the low end (I'll compress this hard but keep it mostly clean) and one for the mid & high end which I'll overdrive. The pedal then recombines it all to taste and feeds the amp & cab. I only posted this yesterday and it's already cost me a small fortune - new pedal, bigger pedal board required, upgraded power supply required, new arrangement requires a clean boost pedal - I'll have to sell one of my kids.
 
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I keep pondering this and I’m curious if you’ve ever looked at a Source Audio Aftershock? You can take your signal and route it through the pedal aim parallel, allowing you to use a 4-band parametric EQ + filter to fine tune each path and send each signal out separately where you can add further effects and combine somewhere down your chain.

It requires an app to get at all the settings but may give you options.

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mikecd1 said:
Somewhere this came up last week here on Talkbass and the Darkglass Microtubes X looked so sweet and delivers the distortion on the high end and clean on the low end. This pedal even has a high and low pass filter for shaping the distortion frequencies. Would love to have one!
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This looks like a really impressive all-in-one solution - wouldn't mind one myself! However, I prefer the more complex (and expensive!) method of constructing my own chain of an evolving selection of varied pedals. I think it makes for a more unique sound and also encourages you to tweak, experiment and develop good adaptation skills for when a pedal breaks or something radical is required on the spot :)
 
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Jamvan said:
I keep pondering this and I’m curious if you’ve ever looked at a Source Audio Aftershock? You can take your signal and route it through the pedal aim parallel, allowing you to use a 4-band parametric EQ + filter to fine tune each path and send each signal out separately where you can add further effects and combine somewhere down your chain.

It requires an app to get at all the settings but may give you options.

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This does look like an amazing piece of kit. I'm not crazy about something so complex that requires connecting to a computer to program as that makes it a very inflexible tool live. I think I have an all analogue solution now, but I am exploring your suggestion...
 
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ceetee said:
Don't know where you are located and how diy-y you are...

Schalttechnik04 omnilooper.
full range looppplus 2 loops that are either fr, hp or lp. All parallel. Unfortunately there's only a masterbypass and a bassboost switch but individual channel-bypasses are just a question of real estate.

Otherwise source audio ultra wave. Or the after shock should do that as well. I guess.
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The Schalttechnik04 Omnilooper looks great. What I don't like about it is their decision to combine in and out into a single socket requiring a splitter Y cable. It saves pedal real estate but removes some emergency rewiring options when playing live :)
 
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Ric5 said:
I fell in love with the bass pod about 2001, but it has too much mid boost. I needed more tone but I didn't want to add pedals in series because the combined tone would suck, so I borrowed a page from Geddy's book and went parallel. A little bit of trial and error got me to where I am at now. more recent additions are the Mel 9 and a echo/reverb pedal.
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I am surprised you don't have phase issues as the POD's DSP will incurr some latency, meaning it will recombine with the analogue signal a fraction of a second later. How do you avoid this?
 
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I want to thank everyone that contributed to this thread - I have found the (theoretical) solution I was looking for in the Umbrella Company's "Fusion Blender" which won out over the KMA "Tyler Deluxe" narrowly by being smaller, less expensive and having a slightly smaller feature set which more closely fitted my requirements. I ordered one from Reverb this morning and once it arrives I'll have to construct my new 'system' and put it to the test! Of course, it may not produce results I like or it might create a need for further and unpredicted purchases (aside from larger pedal board, more cables, boost pedal, klon for subtle sub-distortion, larger power supply) but that's one of the exciting things about being a musician, experimentation! I'll report in once it arrives and I have tried it out a couple of times live. Joe :)
 
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