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DJs suck

wolfkeller

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I'm sitting at a wedding right now. They have a DJ playing a playlist as he has been on his phone the whole time, repeating several songs and said the married couples name wrong. What a wanker! Less than $1,000 in gear, looks like Fred flintstone, what a joke for $600!!! I'm in the wrong damn game. We get so poopie on as musicians
 
Well I dunno, I was just there lol, but I will say, for me, I personally feel the DJ is the enemy of the musician and they should never get paid more, or anywhere near what a good band should, regardless of style. A DJ isn't even oncths same zip code as a player, talent and skill wise. They're lame and only offer an easy alternative to what we do. Just my opinion for certain and it won't change.
 
If it were my daughters wedding I'd be stomping that clown in the alley. That said, my buddy is going to DJ for MY daughter's wedding in 2 weeks, but I'm bringing my band in as well and he's doing it for free food and drinks.
 
Well I dunno, I was just there lol, but I will say, for me, I personally feel the DJ is the enemy of the musician and they should never get paid more, or anywhere near what a good band should, regardless of style. A DJ isn't even oncths same zip code as a player, talent and skill wise. They're lame and only offer an easy alternative to what we do. Just my opinion for certain and it won't change.

I have to agree with you. While I don't know what a good DJ charges versus what a good wedding band charges, but the good wedding bands I've seen are very amazing and classy.
 
I thought musicians stopped slamming DJs about 20 years ago...

As both a bass player and a DJ (and a former bass player who talked crap about DJs) I find the generalization close minded. Based on what the OP said, the guy looked like a tool, and newer technology allows anybody to DJ. However, I usually tell those that slam the art to go out, get into a club, by themselves and keep a crowd not only on the dance floor but have the ability to read them and play songs that would push them away to go buy drinks and then find the right track that will bring them back (your real job is to rotate the bar and that will get you booked again). In my case, I out more hours if practice on my bass. I'm not a turntablist nor I wanna be but the level if skill of some of those cats is amazing. I also don't DJ weddings for the same reason I don't play in cover bands (I find them both empty & soulless and I have a rule to have fun first and foremost).

As far as the pay go... If I'm in a room, entertaining the same amount of people for 5+ hours and the venue is making the same amount of money the would do if I band was the main attraction, it is totally fair to get paid the same. My band does get paid more than me as a solo DJ because it is well more known (and I like to keep it that way since it is my main focus). However, I personally get paid more DJing since I don't have to split with 6 other guys.

And lastly, if you play original music, the DJs in your town should be your best friends. I've gotten to know so much underground and up and coming music from DJ sets. There's an educational aspect many people dismiss. Every time my band releases something, I make sure all the DJs I know have a copy. DJs don't hate musicians and understand they wouldn't have a job without them.
 
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Sorry. Didn't mean to generalize.

Professional DJ's working clubs are one thing. They are quite the equivalent to a working musician.

However the standard wedding, party, event DJ in my opinion is a used car salesman in disguise. Are there exceptions to this? Of course. I've seen very awesome DJ's motivate the crowd like no other. But this is the exception not the rule. I've mostly seen greasy doushe bags expecting to get paid because they happen to have 5000 songs. Whoopty Doo. My personal favorite is the DJ that can't get the microphone out of his mouth. 5 seconds of song, 10 seconds of shout out. 5 seconds of song, 15 seconds of something else.
 
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Rather than "hating" DJs, perhaps we could better serve our own interests by trying to learn something from them.

Why would anybody hire a DJ rather than a full band, or even a solo musician or duo?

Is it the cost? Maybe, but then again, it isn't hard to find bands or solo musicians who are willing to work for nothing, or close to it.

Is it the quality of the music? Maybe. "Quality", in this context, meaning consistent faithful reproduction of familiar songs as they are known to the audience rather than some subjective definition of what is "good" music. Every DJ, as well as every jukebox or satellite radio, can serve up versions of known songs that are 100% consistent in all respects to the originals, for the simple reason that they are the originals. Cover musicians - even "tribute" acts - can only come so close to reproducing the original songs precisely, so the DJs will always have an edge in that department. If 100% accurate reproduction of original songs is the goal, why would anybody ever hire live musician(s)? As much as many of us might like it to be, it isn't "all about the music." If we're going to try to compete with DJs, it might be a good idea to do so in some area other than where we are at a disadvantage from the start.

What about originals, then? As a musician, I must certainly have the advantage here, because no DJ in the world has copies of my music! Right, and neither does practically anybody else, so the idea of "familiar" probably doesn't apply. It doesn't matter that my original songs are "way better" than anything produced by all those "hacks" who somehow still manage to sell millions of CDs and downloads, have gold records on their walls, and get their crap played on commercial radio all day long. If I had their money, I'd be there, too - kicking their butts, because I'm actually good!

Back to the original question: Why would anybody hire somebody to play prerecorded familiar versions of familiar songs, more or less continuously, spiced with lighting and effects, that keeps the crowd engaged instead of a bunch of folks who look like they stopped by on their way to the grocery store, who may or may not have good musical chops, play not-quite-accurate versions of familiar songs or else songs that nobody in the room has ever heard before, who never look up from their own instruments, stand around in the dark for a couple of minutes between songs, and if they talk at all it's only among themselves - while some of them have attitudes like they're some kind of rock stars, expect to be fed and served drinks for free, and expect us to disrupt our whole event to accommodate what they want?

If somebody is going to compete with anybody, they need to be able to leverage some strengths vs. the competition. If I had a football team with a weak running game, I probably wouldn't plan my game with emphasis on the run against a team with the top rushing defense. If any musicians want to compete with DJs, they need to figure out how to do something better than the DJs do, and work hard to be able to out-do them at it. In the game whose name is "Entertainment", we need to be more entertaining than the other guy if we want to get hired. Figure that one out and all your local DJs will be complaining that they can't compete with the musicians!
 
Rather than "hating" DJs, perhaps we could better serve our own interests by trying to learn something from them.

Why would anybody hire a DJ rather than a full band, or even a solo musician or duo?

Is it the cost? Maybe, but then again, it isn't hard to find bands or solo musicians who are willing to work for nothing, or close to it.

Is it the quality of the music? Maybe. "Quality", in this context, meaning consistent faithful reproduction of familiar songs as they are known to the audience rather than some subjective definition of what is "good" music. Every DJ, as well as every jukebox or satellite radio, can serve up versions of known songs that are 100% consistent in all respects to the originals, for the simple reason that they are the originals. Cover musicians - even "tribute" acts - can only come so close to reproducing the original songs precisely, so the DJs will always have an edge in that department. If 100% accurate reproduction of original songs is the goal, why would anybody ever hire live musician(s)? As much as many of us might like it to be, it isn't "all about the music." If we're going to try to compete with DJs, it might be a good idea to do so in some area other than where we are at a disadvantage from the start.

What about originals, then? As a musician, I must certainly have the advantage here, because no DJ in the world has copies of my music! Right, and neither does practically anybody else, so the idea of "familiar" probably doesn't apply. It doesn't matter that my original songs are "way better" than anything produced by all those "hacks" who somehow still manage to sell millions of CDs and downloads, have gold records on their walls, and get their crap played on commercial radio all day long. If I had their money, I'd be there, too - kicking their butts, because I'm actually good!

Back to the original question: Why would anybody hire somebody to play prerecorded familiar versions of familiar songs, more or less continuously, spiced with lighting and effects, that keeps the crowd engaged instead of a bunch of folks who look like they stopped by on their way to the grocery store, who may or may not have good musical chops, play not-quite-accurate versions of familiar songs or else songs that nobody in the room has ever heard before, who never look up from their own instruments, stand around in the dark for a couple of minutes between songs, and if they talk at all it's only among themselves - while some of them have attitudes like they're some kind of rock stars, expect to be fed and served drinks for free, and expect us to disrupt our whole event to accommodate what they want?

If somebody is going to compete with anybody, they need to be able to leverage some strengths vs. the competition. If I had a football team with a weak running game, I probably wouldn't plan my game with emphasis on the run against a team with the top rushing defense. If any musicians want to compete with DJs, they need to figure out how to do something better than the DJs do, and work hard to be able to out-do them at it. In the game whose name is "Entertainment", we need to be more entertaining than the other guy if we want to get hired. Figure that one out and all your local DJs will be complaining that they can't compete with the musicians!

You have presented the flip side of the coin. The crappy band equivalent to the crappy DJ. My opinion is that I don't want to see a crappy "rock star" band at a wedding either and my DJ comments above apply here as well.

The main difference that I see is that crappy "rock star" bands are less likely to be seeking out a wedding band position while this is mostly true for all non-performance based DJ's. Unless of course the buddy of the band is getting married and asks the band to play, but then I'd expect the whole wedding to follow similar suit. But not always. I see it as classic: "I know how I can make some extra money, get boozey, and pick up chicks all at the same time. I'll be a DJ. It's win win." Sounds like like a crappy band though.

Since the DJ's bread and butter venue is the wedding reception (and event, party, etc) then I suppose it would be equivalent to watching a crappy band at a music venue. Thus the same rules would apply to both and nobody want to see a crappy band or DJ in their respective venues.

So I guess I agree with both sides. It comes down to all parties need to be professional in their respective disciplines...an argument that is often made and discussed ad nauseam on TB.

Regarding the original OP comment: I have no respect for unprofessional acts, both DJ's and musicians. Though I view an average musician as having more talent than an average DJ just playing the hits.