Do I need a bass amp or is a preamp/cab simulator enough?

[Dbassmon]

Solutions like Line 6 Helix provide an array of tools to achieve a professional bass sound going direct.

How does this work?

In the Helix, you get a selection of modeled amplifiers, including the classics: Ampeg, Sunn, Aguilar, Acoustic, GK, and many more. You also get IRs for many modeled cabinets, 115, 410, 810, etc, plus virtual microphones of every type to emulate, not only the cab, but the typology of the mic. Mix it with a direct signal if you like. You also get modeled guitar amps. I feed the bridge pickup Marshal to get a Chris Squire tone, and it's spot on.

Signal processing - studio quality compression like an LA2A or 1176, many EQ's, Graphic, Parametric, semi-parametric, distortion and drive emulations, lots of choices including Sans Amp.

Want other FX? The Helix has more than you will ever need, plus you patch in external units through send/receive inputs.

The Output - It will feed a balanced, line-level signal, mono or stereo (if you select stereo FX) to FOH, perfectly mic'ed, compressed, and EQ'ed. All the mixer has to do in push to fader up and a great bass tone is there. The XLR out plugs right into the Helix unit. You can add a stage amp if you like but take your feed to FOH from your Helix.

Line6 has just released Helix Stadium, which is the next Generation of this processor. That means that all of the Helix units currently out there with older designs can be purchased inexpensively, especially used. I suspect the prices will continue to drop as Line6 delivers more Stadium units. The 1st Gen Helix is no longer being produced and ,retailers want to clear out the old stock to make room for the Stadium version.

 

[jimmydean]

In your situation going the amp/cab sim is the way to go . Lots of good pedals out there , I have used a Zoom MS60B with great results . Try the Darkglass since that's the sound you are looking for .

 

[agedhorse]

Something I see more than I like is the lack of inspired performance when the band is ampless and on IEMs.

Unless the band is aware of, and addresses it in their approach, it's common for the band to come across as playing to each other rather than to and with the audience. This comes across as a less inspired performance IME.

This is even more true when an audience mic isn't used, it appears like the band is just phoning it in. Casino and hotel/conference center gigs are prime examples IMO.

This is one argument for using amps (and live drums), yielding a more immersive experience for the audience. If you can achieve this effectively without amps, great, but it's worth thinking about.

Also, why not get your amp repaired by a QUALIFIED service provider?

 

[Chris Wilke]

I'd look for the best amp head I could find in your price - buying used, prioritizing the preamp/Di quality.

Use the built in preamp/DI as needed (most SS amps are fine with no load), and then if you're ever in need of a bass Loudspeaker you'd just need to buy only that item. And at that time, you could determine whatever best fit your size/efficiency/loudness/price needs.

Heck you could probably get through a gig with a passive floor wedge monitor if you needed to.

 

[michael_t]

Something I see more than I like is the lack of inspired performance when the band is ampless and on IEMs.

Unless the band is aware of, and addresses it in their approach, it's common for the band to come across as playing to each other rather than to and with the audience. This comes across as a less inspired performance IME.

My church is pushing toward the "silent stage" concept slowly but surely. And I'm the one resisting the change. All instrumentalists are highly encouraged to be on IEM, but at this point in time, our vocalists are not; they still rely on wedge monitors. Some of these vocalists have commented on how much they love the idea of having a bass amp on stage as they can not only hear the bass clearly but but also FEEL it. One of them even thanks me every time for my bass amp and the extra energy it provides on stage.

I do own a variety of preamp-DI's, including the Mesa Subway Bass DI-Preamp and the Genzler Magellan Pre for going direct to the main board, but I'm not about to give up on the idea of having my rig to fill the stage with the low end goodness for those who appreciate it.

 

[agedhorse]

My church is pushing toward the "silent stage" concept slowly but surely. And I'm the one resisting the change. All instrumentalists are highly encouraged to be on IEM, but at this point in time, our vocalists are not; they still rely on wedge monitors. Some of these vocalists have commented on how much they love the idea of having a bass amp on stage as they can not only hear the bass clearly but but also FEEL it. One of them even thanks me every time for my bass amp and the extra energy it provides on stage.

I do own a variety of preamp-DI's, including the Mesa Subway Bass DI-Preamp and the Genzler Magellan Pre for going direct to the main board, but I'm not about to give up on the idea of having my rig to fill the stage with the low end goodness for those who appreciate it.

Feel, and the impression of playing as an ensemble is harder to do on IEMs. It takes a lot of work to be successful this way IME. The disconnect is very real.

 

[TeaTime]

I don't know about the market you are in, but where I am it seems about half the venues provide amplification (and honestly some of those are garbage) and half do not. Sometimes when the PA is underwhelming, the band uses it and I'll use my own rig, works out better for everyone. Not having my GK stack would limit my options.

I'm easy - GK is my core tone - so I don't have to have amp sims and IR and all that. But I can see how that versatility in a preamp would be most excellent

I've been using a GK 1x12 combo as a comically oversized DI box. Picking up a GK Plex this week to do away with that.

So, what you describe, since at this point you always have FoH - maybe get a floor preamp/sim/effects unit now, and work towards adding an amp (or a powered cab) layer? Don't overlook the value of good condition used gear.

 

[MCS4]

Also during practice we use IEMs and the goal is to use IEMs on gigs too.

How close are you to achieving the goal of using IEMs on gigs too? If there is any question as to whether this is going to be fully in place for all future gigs, then having a way to ensure you can at least hear yourself would seem like a good idea.

For my own peace of mind I would always plan to bring an amp if only for my own monitoring purposes unless I was specifically told I couldn't, but that comes in part from years of gigging with wildly varying monitoring (and sometimes none at all).

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Feel, and the impression of playing as an ensemble is harder to do on IEMs. It takes a lot of work to be successful this way IME. The disconnect is very real.

There's something about the spatial nature of sound on stage when there are discrete sources. Those $350 Roland headphones are supposed to rectify this in your home studio and maybe something like that could help with IEMs and the feeling of being 'there'. But much as I like a relatively quiet stage (and gigs, to be honest), you still get a feeling of the sound through your body and that is hard to replicate.

There's also a strange pyschoacoustic thing I've noticed - at high enough volumes and the right EQ settings bass strings have the impression of being softer. That's probably because you have to play them less hard for it to be loud, but that should be mostly a plucking hand effect, but it seems to be something I notice on my fretting hand. Brains are weird.

I have IEMs, but never used them live as I've been paranoid about sudden feedback being drilled into my head, but I can imagine there could be a disconnect with the audience.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

How close are you to achieving the goal of using IEMs on gigs too? If there is any question as to whether this is going to be fully in place for all future gigs, then having a way to ensure you can at least hear yourself would seem like a good idea.

For my own peace of mind I would always plan to bring an amp if only for my own monitoring purposes unless I was specifically told I couldn't, but that comes in part from years of gigging with wildly varying monitoring (and sometimes none at all).

There's always the risk of your or the venue's IEM transmitter not working. Then no one gets to hear anything but the drummer apart from FOH. Maybe not even the drummer if it's a machine or electronic drums. Even Ariana Grande has equipment failures, let alone Honest Bob's Fun Bar and Music Cafe. Or maybe the venue has a 'powerful PA' which turns out to be two 8" Yamaha speakers rated at 50W RMS each and wireless means the handheld microphone... (I normally do a venue check, but this was just a little bit further out and I trusted them...)

 

[pbass2]

If you're only playing in this one band and don't foresee yourself putting yourself out there for other gigs and whatnot, sounds like you don't "need" an amp. But IMO these days to be a working bassist you need to be able to play ampless, with an amp (both your own or backline), with in-ears, and w/o, old school. Unless you know absolutely for sure what every scenario is going to be that may come up, otherwise you'll be scrambling to rent or borrow gear.
So bare minimum I feel: the ability to send a good signal to FOH w/o an amp (some kind of preamp and DI), and also enough amp for those times when you need to bring one. How big a rig you need depends on many factors of course. You might be fine with a powerful/portable combo--there's tons out there these days. But start with the preamp/DI solution first. You absolutely want to be able to send your preferred tone to FOH without an amp these days. Then adding an amp to the equation is easy and you have more options.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

There's always the risk of your or the venue's IEM transmitter not working. Then no one gets to hear anything but the drummer apart from FOH. Maybe not even the drummer if it's a machine or electronic drums. Even Ariana Grande has equipment failures, let alone Honest Bob's Fun Bar and Music Cafe. Or maybe the venue has a 'powerful PA' which turns out to be two 8" Yamaha speakers rated at 50W RMS each and wireless means the handheld microphone... (I normally do a venue check, but this was just a little bit further out and I trusted them...)

P.S. I like the idea of not having to take an amp and my first ever gig *mumble* years ago was (and especially odd given I had an amp) was ampless, and I was too unassertive to point out I wasn't in the monitors. It was recorded, and my playing is, incredibly, perfectly okay. I took my amp subsequently. But that first gig we were bottom of the bill and told not to bring amps then I was denied use of the backline when there and promised monitors

If venues provided a dedicated, uncoloured bass monitor of sufficient power and that was easy to use, that would be nice. I could just take a preamp, plug in, and have an "amp". It used to be a random Peavey TKO or TNT or head and cab of dubious heritage if you didn't take your own amp. Apart from that first time.

 

[OldShark]

My church is pushing toward the "silent stage" concept slowly but surely. And I'm the one resisting the change. All instrumentalists are highly encouraged to be on IEM, but at this point in time, our vocalists are not; they still rely on wedge monitors. Some of these vocalists have commented on how much they love the idea of having a bass amp on stage as they can not only hear the bass clearly but but also FEEL it. One of them even thanks me every time for my bass amp and the extra energy it provides on stage.

I do own a variety of preamp-DI's, including the Mesa Subway Bass DI-Preamp and the Genzler Magellan Pre for going direct to the main board, but I'm not about to give up on the idea of having my rig to fill the stage with the low end goodness for those who appreciate it.

Eich Bass Boards to the rescue... though probably way more expensive than a single bass amp/cab on stage...

 

[Zooberwerx]

Hey,

my bass amp died and I'm not sure if i should buy another one or just a good preamp/cab simulator.

I'm playing rock (Arcosok Klubja on spotify if you're interested) and we only gig at places where there are FOHs and we usually also bring our own soundtech. Also during practice we use IEMs and the goal is to use IEMs on gigs too.

So wonder if I even need a amp and cab or just a good preamp? Or maybe should I buy an amp and use it's line out and if i need it I can use it as a amp too?

What preamp do you recommend if I decided to go that route?
I was thinking about getting a Darkglass because i have the alpha omicron distortion and I really like it.

Also I have a budget of around 500 USD.

Thanks for helping!

What amp died? Have you ever been placed in a situation where you have to power an enclosure or replace a venue-provided head?

Riis

 

[ValerieK]

I've been using a zoom B1four to PA and IEMs in 2 bands all year. It's fine (and the tuner on it is great - it's worth the price just to use as a tuner and hpf/eq/compressor/noisegate). Adding a balanced DI would help. Whatever preamp/modeler you use can also go to an amp later.

I also just ordered a little amp head today though, just because there are times I would like to have one. Went with a micro head to have the option of big, small, or no cabinet(s).

Also, stereo IEMs are more than twice as good as mono IMO. More like 10 times as good and well worth the extra cost.

 

[InkCow]

Something I see more than I like is the lack of inspired performance when the band is ampless and on IEMs.

And if you look up OP's band on Instagram, you can see that this would be a tragedy. They look very fun.

 

[MtManiac]

I've been playing out ampless for about a year now, using either an Ampeg SGT DI or a Tech 21 VT Bass DI. Prior to that I was using my Darkglass M500v2 head with and without a cab. All three worked well. We use our own mixer often (Soundcraft UI 24), which allows us our own individual monitor feeds and a saved FoH mix that we tweak for the room. Occasionally we get to play a venue where there's a full time sound tech, and it's about the same experience for us, just slightly less work for us to do on FoH.

I dearly love amps, but I have embraced being able to clearly hear the entire band in exchange for hauling heavy cabs and fiddling with stage volume.

On Talkbass's recommendations, I bought a pair of KZ ZS10 IEMS a few years back and now everyone in the band uses them instead of their Westone and Shure IEMs.

 

[jimmydean]

I played with a band for a year that used IEM's and while good........I missed that drive of a live stage .

 

[LowWay]

And if you look up OP's band on Instagram, you can see that this would be a tragedy. They look very fun.

Can you give us a link or a name to lookup? I'm curious.

 

[ValerieK]

Can you give us a link or a name to lookup? I'm curious.

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Hey,

my bass amp died and I'm not sure if i should buy another one or just a good preamp/cab simulator.

I'm playing rock (Arcosok Klubja on spotify if you're interested) and we only gig at places where there are FOHs and we usually also bring our own soundtech. Also during practice we use IEMs and the goal is to use IEMs on gigs too.

So wonder if I even need a amp and cab or just a good preamp? Or maybe should I buy an amp and use it's line out and if i need it I can use it as a amp too?

What preamp do you recommend if I decided to go that route?
I was thinking about getting a...

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