Do you agree with this video?

[Clef_de_fa]

That is a good way to practice listening and more effective than passive. Your way adds the physical element of fingering the intervals which will add to the mental and aural elements of memorization. Now instead of hearing an interval and just knowing the pitch or degree, you recall what to play.

This is much more useful to the instrumental application than just the empty knowledge of what pitch is heard.

In my opinion, passively listening and memorization of intervals without the technical application is a waste of time. What good is identifying a pitch or interval if you can't reproduce it?

You can write on a music sheet what you hear without having to decipher it with your bass by looping the same 5sec like 100 times ... it is the way we learn at music school and at college level ... you don,t have an instrument in hand and you have to write the music you hear if you can do that you obviously can play it back.

 

[Clef_de_fa]

Jeff seperate the art from the craft ... like it is if you go to music school. you learn the fact and apply it in a given situation ... what your creative mind will do with that bit of info is up to you and can't be taught to anyone and this is where a lot of people fall .. they can't seperate the art from the craft. They will learn that ridiculous riff because of the art not because it will actually work their rythm or developpe further their slap technic etc ...

In this is case, it is easy to see that only listening won't make you magically able to play 16th note at 160 for 10 minutes non-stop without faillure. Listening can only make you aware of what other player do and react accordingly.

Again listening won't magically make you able to play the awesome lick that you hear in your mind if you don't have the technic to pull it off.

 

[Jbassrockboy]

I don't understand how I could play without listening.

So I agree with JB that listening more will not improve my playing.

My playing improves when I study, practice, learn songs and play in bands.

But within all that if I don't concentrate or if I am tired my listening and playing is adversely affected.

Listening is a natural thing for people to do. The issue is not listen more. The issue is be aware of what you are hearing and what you are focusing on when you listen.

 

[unclejane]

Nice to see Jeff understanding how music education works for the majority. This video he has presented as a lesson is standard clinic material, the very sort of lesson that if someone paid for Jeff would condemn as a waste of money and not necessary.
So nice to see Jeff is understanding that players can go to bass clinics or have lessons that are not academic based, because some lesson do not need to as they are applications of academic ideas in real practice.....such as this video and the "listening" video of this thread.

So maybe Jeff will shot a video on how best to use a click of metronome and how not to use one, rather than just condemn every use of one.....because these latest video lessons he is presenting is the very thing he said was, "wrong with the modern teachings" that other teachers present as meaningful lessons and not worthy of time or money.......welcome to the modern world Jeff......we have been expecting you.

Come on TB, give me that "like" button, and a way to turn it permanently "on" for when Fergie posts anything...

As for JB's vids, I dunno, maybe he's doing these on Youtube so they really are free? You know and not on your dime during class?

The last vid was more of an illustration type of thing to me, more of a here's the result of good academic (craft) approaches to learning your instrument, the facts of music and so on.

I remember when I was an actor, there was the same division. And the same complaints about acting classes and other theatre curricula - they concentrated too much on trying to teach the "art" of acting ("ok, gimme sad here.. no no, I want sad, SAD dammit! you look like you just swallowed an onion, that's not SAD!") with not enough attention to the craft of it (how to work with a director, how to block a scene, always turn upstage, articulation, voice training, the Method, etc.).

So a lot of the time you had the same problem. Actors who had a lot of talent, but they had no idea what to do when they got on stage. Because they never got the academic training, the facts of acting...

Oh well, they didn't use metronomes in acting classes anyway...

LS