Do you wear a tie at work?

[Gravedigger Dav]

Funny, I've yet to find a real connection between style of dress and civility or morality or ethics. People wearing suits order mass murder in the form of drone strikes, they calculate profits while reducing fellow human beings to data points, and they cut off benefits from those most in need, or deny entry to refugees. That's just my opinion, though.

You're getting political here.
My point is social behavior. I see a correlation b

Funny, I've yet to find a real connection between style of dress and civility or morality or ethics. People wearing suits order mass murder in the form of drone strikes, they calculate profits while reducing fellow human beings to data points, and they cut off benefits from those most in need, or deny entry to refugees. That's just my opinion, though.

You are getting political. My post is strictly regarding social behavior. I have seen a direct correlation between the deterioration of social behavior and how people dress. People are no longer courteous or polite. They are more likely to be rude and self centered.
Maybe you are not old enough to have observed this.

 

[Marial]

You're getting political here.
My point is social behavior. I see a correlation b

You are getting political. My post is strictly regarding social behavior. I have seen a direct correlation between the deterioration of social behavior and how people dress. People are no longer courteous or polite. They are more likely to be rude and self centered.
Maybe you are not old enough to have observed this.

I am to a certain extent, but only in so far as I view your post as inherently political. I'm responding to it in the same fashion as I view its original intent.

Secondly, no, I am not as old as you and, necessarily, have a different perspective. I'm not asking you to agree with it. Age does not equate to anything beyond experience, and experience does not equate to sound judgement, accurate critical assessment, or reasoned thought. There are plenty of old people who can't think their way out of a paper bag. I am not, please note, saying you are one of them. I happily admit that there are a lot of young for whom the same could be said with regards to critical thought.

Simply put, I do not view clothing as an indicator of social behavior nor an indicator of a person's innate moral or ethical behavior, views, or actions. I'd say more but, as you have indirectly pointed out, it would be beyond the bounds of this forum.

Lastly, I'll just say that when someone exhibits a wistfulness for times past I immediately get skeptical of what they mean by 'good times'.

 

[Pilgrim]

You are getting political. My post is strictly regarding social behavior. I have seen a direct correlation between the deterioration of social behavior and how people dress. People are no longer courteous or polite. They are more likely to be rude and self centered.
Maybe you are not old enough to have observed this.

I see the same thing, but correlation does not equal causation.

 

[ESPweasel]

I work in Silicon Valley and people in suits & ties look suspicious. I go out of my way to avoid them and I'm in sales.

Funny, I plan on interviewing at Google soon. I always wear a suit and tie to interviews but my buddy that works there told me not to. He said I'd be way overdressed. At least that's what they told him when he interviewed there.

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

I see the same thing, but correlation does not equal causation.

No it doesn't. That has no bearing on my opinion. I think some research on psychological studies on my hypothesis would be in order.

 

[TBird1958]

I'm not required to wear a tie but occasionally do - Makes a big difference in how customers treat you (always better), I enjoy looking sharp at work and have no problem rockin' a great looking tie.

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

I am to a certain extent, but only in so far as I view your post as inherently political. I'm responding to it in the same fashion as I view its original intent.

Secondly, no, I am not as old as you and, necessarily, have a different perspective. I'm not asking you to agree with it. Age does not equate to anything beyond experience, and experience does not equate to sound judgement, accurate critical assessment, or reasoned thought. There are plenty of old people who can't think their way out of a paper bag. I am not, please note, saying you are one of them. I happily admit that there are a lot of young for whom the same could be said with regards to critical thought.

Simply put, I do not view clothing as an indicator of social behavior nor an indicator of a person's innate moral or ethical behavior, views, or actions. I'd say more but, as you have indirectly pointed out, it would be beyond the bounds of this forum.

Lastly, I'll just say that when someone exhibits a wistfulness for times past I immediately get skeptical of what they mean by 'good times'.

First, I don't consider social behavior as political. that is a different subject.
I agree that some us older folks live in the past and long for the good old days. I am not one of those. I never used the phrase good old days at all. I agree that experience doesn't equate to sound judgment, accurate critical assessment, or reasoned thought. But, I do believe the lack of experience is more likely to produce those results. I do believe there is a correlation. It is only an unproven hypothesis.
Now, kindly remove yourself from my lawn, thank you.

 

[Marial]

First, I don't consider social behavior as political. that is a different subject.
I agree that some us older folks live in the past and long for the good old days. I am not one of those. I never used the phrase good old days at all. I agree that experience doesn't equate to sound judgment, accurate critical assessment, or reasoned thought. But, I do believe the lack of experience is more likely to produce those results. I do believe there is a correlation. It is only an unproven hypothesis.
Now, kindly remove yourself from my lawn, thank you.

This ain't your lawn, it's our lawn (mine maybe more than yours since I contribute monetarily and it appears you do not... but I'm a rising-tide-lifts-all type of guy).

Interesting, as far as lack of experience goes. Old people can lack it too. Consider an old person who has never traveled beyond the confines of his or her home town or city, rarely meets people different from him or herself... I think you can catch my drift. It is not a condition unique to the young.

As was stated before correlation is not causation.

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

This ain't your lawn, it's our lawn (mine maybe more than yours since I contribute monetarily and it appears you do not... but I'm a rising-tide-lifts-all type of guy).

Interesting, as far as lack of experience goes. Old people can lack it too. Consider an old person who has never traveled beyond the confines of his or her home town or city, rarely meets people different from him or herself... I think you can catch my drift. It is not a condition unique to the young.

As was stated before correlation is not causation.

Maybe you are not old enough yet to have a fully developed sense of humor.
But, other than the snide lawn comment, I can't disagree with anything you have said.

 

[Marial]

Maybe you are not old enough yet to have a fully developed sense of humor.
But, other than the snide lawn comment, I can't disagree with anything you have said.

I got the lawn humor, was just participating. You found what was intended as a joke to be snide. Humor is a funny thing, ain't it?

 

[spiritbass]

Nope. Custom t-shirt with company logo.

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

I got the lawn humor, was just participating. You found what was intended as a joke to be snide. Humor is a funny thing, ain't it?

It is indeed. My apologies.

 

[Marial]

It's all good, we're just jawin'.

 

[slobake]

The biggest thieves and crooks are men who wear ties. I've never understood how the suit and tie thing = respectability.

I agree with Marial but not with this statement. Yup, some major crooks wear a suit and a tie, some of them wear t-shirts, some may wear a dress or whatever. You may not have meant that all suits are crooks but the statement is starting to lean in that direction.

 

[Mark Wilson]

Nope. Chef Jacket and Apron though.

 

[FrenchBassQC]

My employers are lucky I dress at all.

You all are, really.

Thank you and keep doing it please. No I do not wear a tie at work...

 

[Dug2]

no, ties suk. i wear a hat, a hard hat.

 

[zontar]

I've had jobs where I had to wear one, ones I didn't, and ones where it was optional.
I prefer not to wear one--but I can put up with it.

 

[The Golden Boy]

My Dad retired a few years ago- they just moved out of their house into a "retirement" apartment. My Dad was getting rid of all his old suits- I'm much larger than my Dad, otherwise I'd have hit the payload of 1960s-70s suits. But I did get a few hundred ties- starting when he came to the US in 1964 to, probably the mid-90s. I've got some really awesome 1" ties, a few of them I used to wear back in high school.

I just wear a tie when I want to, no one in my department wears a tie, not my boss nor my boss's boss.

 

[slobake]

Have you noticed that politicians including President Obama don't always wear a tie now? There seems to be a trend away from ties.