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Does the cabinet your using make you look more professional?

#103
boristhespider9 said:
Yea, so all the young guys playing for the door in small venues should haul one around and those who don't look unprofessional. And just bc it's in a rider doesn't mean it's actually necessary or more professional looking. It's a relic that continues to stick mostly for psychological reasons.
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It's in most riders because every rental house will have one, and you know what you're getting. I'm not a huge Ampeg fan, but if I'm using back line that's what I specify. It's a known variable, versus asking for my Genz Benz rig, which they won't have, and taking a chance on what they decide is "close enough".
 
#106
Floyd Eye said:
I know what you meant. The propensity for this is precisely why I don't use overhead condensers.
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I'll use overheads in a mix as a monitor engineer if someone is on ears. Mixing FOH, I'll use them just to spread them out in the stereo field. Barely louder than the drums coming off the stage. Mostly as an effect.

I was surprised when touring in Europe. Drum kit fully mic'd, di+mic on bass, regardless of the size of the room. We could be playing in a bathroom of a cafe in a mall and there would be 14 inputs coming from stage. As long as they can control it and know when to use it, fine...

But when they don't... OMG
 
#107
Floyd Eye said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those issues fairly easily avoided by not pointing bass and guitar rigs at vocal mics?
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Correct. but as I mentioned earlier in this thread a 810 cabinet will be tall enough that it will bleed easier than a small amp. As far as cymbals and drums bleeding into the vocal mics that is always going to happen. A Plexiglas shield would help minimize this.
 
#108
modulusman said:
Correct. but as I mentioned earlier in this thread a 810 cabinet will be tall enough that it will bleed easier than a small amp. As far as cymbals and drums bleeding into the vocal mics that is always going to happen. A Plexiglas shield would help minimize this.
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I agree, but as a house sound guy, the band ultimately calls the shot on that. A lot of them will have nothing to do with plexi, which sucks.
 
#109
modulusman said:
Correct. but as I mentioned earlier in this thread a 810 cabinet will be tall enough that it will bleed easier than a small amp. As far as cymbals and drums bleeding into the vocal mics that is always going to happen. A Plexiglas shield would help minimize this.
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Good point. I use an 8x10, but I do not stand directly in front of it and I position myself between the mic and the rig. I'm sure some of it may be bleeding in, but I haven't noticed it. But then I am not really looking for it. As long as I am happy with the sound I figure it's ok.
 
#110
Floyd Eye said:
I avoid this problem by not using any mics on the cymbals. The bleed into the vocal mics is welcomed. I close mic BOTH snares. :)
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In my band we usually never mic the snare unless we are playing outside or for a large audience. The damn thing is too loud anyway.:D When we go small we will just mic the kick and sometimes use 2 overheads for the rest of the kit.
 
#114
Well I won't say isolation is a bad thing, but like anything, it's possible to go too far with it. I think a little bleed in your mix helps make a band sound like a band. And I've seen more than one soundman ruin gigs by being so obsessive about hearing the slightest little sound come from the stage. Then the band can't hear, the drummer plays much quieter than he/she should, and the sound just goes to wimp hell.

Oh, and no plexiglas! Sheesh! We have to hear, too!!!
 
#115
JimmyM said:
Well I won't say isolation is a bad thing, but like anything, it's possible to go too far with it. I think a little bleed in your mix helps make a band sound like a band. And I've seen more than one soundman ruin gigs by being so obsessive about hearing the slightest little sound come from the stage. Then the band can't hear, the drummer plays much quieter than he/she should, and the sound just goes to wimp hell.

Oh, and no plexiglas! Sheesh! We have to hear, too!!!
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As a sound guy (FOH or Mon), my first task is to make sure the band is really comfortable onstage. If plexi, or a wedge placement, etc makes a member nervous or hesitant, its gone or moved. Then I can move on to mixing. Also keeping the bands comfort in mind. Watching body language, how they're interacting with each other, as long as they're comfortable, they can play their best.
 
#116
kedo said:
As a sound guy (FOH or Mon), my first task is to make sure the band is really comfortable onstage. If plexi, or a wedge placement, etc makes a member nervous or hesitant, its gone or moved. Then I can move on to mixing. Also keeping the bands comfort in mind. Watching body language, how they're interacting with each other, as long as they're comfortable, they can play their best.
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Will you marry me?

That is so refreshing to hear instead of "These bands are idiots." Thank you!
 

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