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Does the G&L M2500 (American made) run completely passive?

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Does the G&L M-2500 (American made) run completely passive? I've heard people complaining that if the batteries go dead, the bass can't make a sound. (Years ago I had an L-2500 that was like that - it was a pain, especially because you had to use a screwdriver to changed the battery.)

Does the M-2500 maybe have some sort of switch up there to go from active to passive?

I can't seem to find any clear info about this.

Tnx
 
Does the G&L M-2500 (American made) run completely passive? I've heard people complaining that if the batteries go dead, the bass can't make a sound. (Years ago I had an L-2500 that was like that - it was a pain, especially because you had to use a screwdriver to changed the battery.)

Does the M-2500 maybe have some sort of switch up there to go from active to passive?

I can't seem to find any clear info about this.

Tnx

The L2500 is the one you want. They operate passive. I don't know why people complain of the L-series not producing a sound when the battery goes dead, they have an active/passive switch on them. Maybe those people are using the preamp most of the time and are confused.

The L-series is a active OR passive bass. There is a switch on it that engages a preamp. That switch is a three way switch and switches from PASSIVE to ACTIVE to ACTIVE WITH TREBLE BOOST.

The M-series is an active-only bass. The pickups are underwound on purpose to produce a flatter EQ, then it's paired with a preamp to boost the signal and give you some tone shaping ability. It's an active design first and foremost where you use the EQ knobs to get different tones. It's not meant for passive operation as the pickups are designed to be used with a preamp.

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The L-series is also designed to achieve many tones, however they stuck with more passive switching options instead of designing the pickups to be used with a preamp. The L-series pickups are wound a bit hotter. The treble and bass controls will still work in passive mode on the L-series basses. They don't work on most active basses including the M-series when you turn the preamp off. The L-2000 is sort of a hybrid active/passive bass. You can never turn on the preamp and still have a ton of tones available.

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The L2500 is the one you want.

Maybe. But I like pots better than switches, and I also understood that the M has a neck and ergonomics with would work for me better - that's why I'm looking at the M. I sold my L years ago because I have small hands and the neck just wasn't working for me even though I loved the sound. But that was a 1998 or '99 L - I believe they've slimmed it down since then. But my understanding is that the M sill has an easier neck that the L.

I play mostly short scale basses these days but I love a good 5 and I love G&L so I'm trying to find the most comfortable 5 they make (don't want a straight J style)

I don't know why people complain of the L-series not producing a sound when the battery goes dead, they have an active/passive switch on them.

Maybe I'm mixing up - I think maybe the way it worked was the battery could be dead and it would work, passive, but you had to keep a (dead) battery in there or it was dead, unlike a lot of other active/passive basses that don't need a battery at all in passive mode.

Tnx
 
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The M and L five strings have the same neck, but you're right that they've slimmed it down since 1998. I'm not sure when it changed most recently, but I believe it was around 2010. When I was shopping for a G&L five in 2014, a local shop had two L-2500's. One was a couple years old, and had the old-school chunky neck. I liked it, but wanted slimmer. He also had a brand new version, and it had the slimmer neck which felt great, but other expensive options I didn't want, so I passed.

I would have ordered an L-2500, but needed the bass quickly and found the M-2500 on line at an absurdly low price. It was in one of my favorite finishes and had a quarter sawn neck, so I went for it and have no regrets. It was built in late 2013, and has the slimmer neck, which is now the standard. But I believe it's been improved further with more rounded fretboard edges. I recently tried a brand new L-2500 at a shop in Massachusetts, and the neck was heavenly.
 
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I have two (2) L 2500s one fretless.
The 1997 fretless has a chunker neck then my 2006 fretted.
For all you passive players out there I modified both of mine by removing the actives and upgraded the switches to on on on so I have full coil tapping. Just awesome IMHO.
Rock on!
Duke
 
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Maybe. But I like pots better than switches, and I also understood that the M has a neck and ergonomics with would work for me better - that's why I'm looking at the M. I sold my L years ago because I have small hands and the neck just wasn't working for me even though I loved the sound. But that was a 1998 or '99 L - I believe they've slimmed it down since then. But my understanding is that the M sill has an easier neck that the L.

I play mostly short scale basses these days but I love a good 5 and I love G&L so I'm trying to find the most comfortable 5 they make (don't want a straight J style)



Maybe I'm mixing up - I think maybe the way it worked was the battery could be dead and it would work, passive, but you had to keep a (dead) battery in there or it was dead, unlike a lot of other active/passive basses that don't need a battery at all in passive mode.

Tnx

You can order any G&L with any neck you want if it's from their American plant. They have quite a few neck options available. They build things like Fender did back in the day, where you order a bass with the neck of your choice. If you shop used you can find some L2000s with Jazz bass style necks on occasion. The ASATs are basically the same control scheme as the L-series but with a Jazz bass neck as standard and a different body style.

If you're looking at Tribute models then the M-series will have the slimmer neck. L-series Tributes necks are MASSIVE. I don't like that massive neck either.

Anyway, on the L2000 it's better to think of the switches as "tone presets". I wouldn't be shifting them around live. It's just a reconfigurable bass. For example, "active mode" would be something like series + preamp ON with treble boost. Keep your knobs cocked half-way back and you have treble boost/cut and bass boost/cut available. There are other configs.

1. Passive + series (P sounds)
2. Passive + parallel (Jazz or Stingray sounds)
3. Active + series (Higher gain P sounds)
4. Active + parallel (Higher gain J or Stingray sounds)
5. Active with treble boost + series (I'd call this "active bass mode", knobs can cut/boost)
6. Active with treble boost + parallel (Very bright and grindy, though you might like it)

Series is your bass boost. Active is your overall flat boost. Active + treble boost is your treble boost effectively. When you engage bass or treble boosting you can cock the associated bass or treble knob back half-way and get boost/cut functionality out of that knob. Otherwise the knobs are always available to cut. The bass knob works even in passive mode to cut your low-end.

The main problem with the M-series is when in passive mode you won't have any EQ controls at all. No tone knob, just a volume and blend. You have three useless knobs. The L-series knobs always work no matter what mode you're in. They're two completely different designs. The M-series is an active bass meant to be played active, the L-series is meant to be reconfigurable and is sort of a hybrid active/passive bass.

All that being said, you could mod a M-2000 to have passive mode available as a fall back for a low battery. Plenty of people do that for emergency situations. Whatever bass you'd likely want just depends on how you view passive mode. Is passive mode a fall-back plan for you? Or is passive mode providing a tone you want? L2000s are for people that want the best of both active and passive designs, but there are some drawbacks like having to rely on the switches. M2000s are for people that favor active designs, and it's easy to add a switch to go passive if you want it for emergency situations.

Ibanez makes some models with slim necks and active/passive modes with a passive tone knob available. Basically your treble knob works as a passive tone knob and an active treble knob depending on whether youre in passive or active mode.
 
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. Is passive mode a fall-back plan for you? Or is passive mode providing a tone you want? L2000s are for people that want the best of both active and passive designs, but there are some drawbacks like having to rely on the switches.

The favorite in my stable is a Reverend Dub King: All passive, master volume, master tone, and pup panner. No frills, everything simple and at my fingertips and the controls work well - very responsive. It can almost do a Hofner, all the way to nasty J sort of sound - just adjust the tone and panner.
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I love simplicity - very old school - 'plug and play'. After messing with active basses and EP's etc. for a long time I just got tired of it all - wanted to play bass, not play with dials and knobs and switches. So I'll have to digest all this and decide what's the right choice for me. Maybe it's not G&L. I had a Fender A Standard J5 which I didn't care for too much - especially the B string. Maybe I need to look at Reverend 5s which are passive with controls like the DubKing.

Tnx for the info - I will go over it.
 
The favorite in my stable is a Reverend Dub King: All passive, master volume, master tone, and pup panner. No frills, everything simple and at my fingertips and the controls work well - very responsive. It can almost do a Hofner, all the way to nasty J sort of sound - just adjust the tone and panner.
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I love simplicity - very old school - 'plug and play'. After messing with active basses and EP's etc. for a long time I just got tired of it all - wanted to play bass, not play with dials and knobs and switches. So I'll have to digest all this and decide what's the right choice for me. Maybe it's not G&L. I had a Fender A Standard J5 which I didn't care for too much - especially the B string. Maybe I need to look at Reverend 5s which are passive with controls like the DubKing.

Tnx for the info - I will go over it.

G&L also has their SB-1 and SB-2 models you might take a peak at. They're cool basses, very bright and Hi-Fi. They sound active but are not. The pickups are specially designed MFDs like on the L or M series. The SB-2 doesn't have a tone knob but you can get a surprising range of tones from the volume controls. The bridge pickup volume is your tone knob, but you can roll down the neck pickup volume for a slight treble cut as well.

Here's an SB-2.

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The SB-1 lacks the bridge pickup, but has a tone knob instead. I have both, a SB-1 and a SB-2. I dig them for different uses.

G&L makes some Fender clones like the JB (Jazz bass) or LB100 (Precision) as well. I also have a LB100 that I really like but it's basically just a P bass. The SBs are also P or PJ basses but they have very different sounding pickups, very modern and punchy sounding.
 
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The favorite in my stable is a Reverend Dub King: All passive, master volume, master tone, and pup panner. No frills, everything simple and at my fingertips and the controls work well - very responsive. It can almost do a Hofner, all the way to nasty J sort of sound - just adjust the tone and panner.
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I love simplicity - very old school - 'plug and play'. After messing with active basses and EP's etc. for a long time I just got tired of it all - wanted to play bass, not play with dials and knobs and switches. So I'll have to digest all this and decide what's the right choice for me. Maybe it's not G&L. I had a Fender A Standard J5 which I didn't care for too much - especially the B string. Maybe I need to look at Reverend 5s which are passive with controls like the DubKing.

Tnx for the info - I will go over it.

Oh by the way, those DubKings are cool. I always wanted to try one out.
 
G&L also has their SB-1 and SB-2 models you might take a peak at.

Yeah I know about the SB-2 - almost bought one not too long ago. But I'm an old fart - got tendonitis and arthritis issues, so for 4s I stick to short scale basses, which allow me to play without pain. The DubKing has been great because it's short scale but doesn't really feel or sound like one. I have an MIJ Mustang that is also surprisingly versatile. But I do want to keep a good 5 around - not for constant use, but for once in a while - there are some songs I have to play that really need it - especially some deep blues and funk in B, C, C# and D. AFAIK the SB's don't do 5. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
those DubKings are cool. I always wanted to try one out.
It's an awesome bass - very simple short scale thing but it's very versatile. I was amazed when I got it - (I found one used that was pristine for $600 on Reverb) I thought it would be your typical limited range tubby sounding shorty but it turned out to be something completely different. If you go on their site, they say a lot of things about its versatility - it's all true. I've got GHS Pressure wounds on it, and I play it 80% of the time now. If you can find a good used one, I say grab it - you won't be sorry (unless you want a tubby sounding shorty).
 
Yeah I know about the SB-2 - almost bought one not too long ago. But I'm an old fart - got tendonitis and arthritis issues, so for 4s I stick to short scale basses, which allow me to play without pain. The DubKing has been great because it's short scale but doesn't really feel or sound like one. I have an MIJ Mustang that is also surprisingly versatile. But I do want to keep a good 5 around - not for constant use, but for once in a while - there are some songs I have to play that really need it - especially some deep blues and funk in B, C, C# and D. AFAIK the SB's don't do 5. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh yeah, if you want a 5 they only make the Jazz style basses in that config (well as far as passive basses go).

There are rumors they might rerelease some old designs and revamp existing ones. They used to have a 5-string SB-1 style bass called a L5000.

Some people have said they might be releasing a PJ LB100 and a 5-string P bass of some sort.
 

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