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Does this MIDI product exist?

Adamixoye

Adamixoye

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Apr 9, 2012
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Occasional Beta Tester for Confusion Studios, Singular Sound, and Source Audio
#1
I do some very limited work with MIDI. Basically, I have my Eventides and my Line6 M5 chained together. I'm going to be chaining my incoming Beat Buddy with my Pigtronix Infinity Looper as well. Unfortunately, the M5 and the Infinity are both "dead ends" for different reasons. I have no idea why the M5 doesn't do MIDI through with its in and out jacks, and the Infinity only has a MIDI in jack. I have only used this for MIDI clock but I want to expand my MIDI capabilities. I also have a Source Audio Manta but have not yet bought a Hub (nor do I have short-term plans to get one).

So what I really want in a MIDI controller product is the following:

(1) Control additional functions on my Eventide units (which I'm currently doing with auxiliary footswitches)
(2) Send patch changes on INDEPENDENT channels for the Eventide units, M5, and maybe in the future, Source Audio units through the Hub---access to these PC commands and the control functions of (1) would, ideally, be straightforward and easy (for example, I could switch between which unit I'm controlling without any super special programming)
(3) A footprint more in tune with the Decibel 11 Pedal Palette than, say, the Behring FCB1010
(4) Bypass looping a plus but not a requirement

Is there some product out there that does this that I'm not aware of?
 
#3
Disaster Area Amps DPC-5

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It's smaller than either of the two controllers that you mentioned and the only thing that I'm not 100% sure that it can do is control the SA Hub (although I think Matthew could probably figure out some firmware that would work). Shoot him an email. He's been really responsive to any questions that I've had for him in the past.
 
#4
Thanks guys. Not sure if either those do the separate channel MIDI stuff I'm interested in, but I'll check them out!
 
#5
Adamixoye said:
I do some very limited work with MIDI. Basically, I have my Eventides and my Line6 M5 chained together. I'm going to be chaining my incoming Beat Buddy with my Pigtronix Infinity Looper as well. Unfortunately, the M5 and the Infinity are both "dead ends" for different reasons. I have no idea why the M5 doesn't do MIDI through with its in and out jacks, and the Infinity only has a MIDI in jack. I have only used this for MIDI clock but I want to expand my MIDI capabilities. I also have a Source Audio Manta but have not yet bought a Hub (nor do I have short-term plans to get one).

So what I really want in a MIDI controller product is the following:

(1) Control additional functions on my Eventide units (which I'm currently doing with auxiliary footswitches)
(2) Send patch changes on INDEPENDENT channels for the Eventide units, M5, and maybe in the future, Source Audio units through the Hub---access to these PC commands and the control functions of (1) would, ideally, be straightforward and easy (for example, I could switch between which unit I'm controlling without any super special programming)
(3) A footprint more in tune with the Decibel 11 Pedal Palette than, say, the Behring FCB1010
(4) Bypass looping a plus but not a requirement

Is there some product out there that does this that I'm not aware of?
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nope

jk alesis pre w midi controller ask a pro audio you need multiple effects loops unless you get patches there is something similar but not without pre programming dont be lazy
 
#6
The RP-1 has multi channel PC sends as far as it says in the manual. I just got all my stuff hooked up so I haven't yet confirmed this. The way it states is basically when you hit preset 'X' it sends out each customized channel/device a custom PC number. You can got trough and disable rage send for a specific patch as well.

It doesn't do any looping or anything, and I still need I figure out of there's a way to send tap tempo info through midi to my SA hub and M5.

Plus side is that it was cheap, not very common it seems but does well for me for $30.
 
#7
Yeah, I was thinking about a lot of this in part because I saw your posts on the RP-1. But honestly I think the RP-1 fails my size requirements by a pretty significant margin.

I am starting to wonder about the DPC-5. Depending on how it was programmed, that could really be the answer. And maybe the One Control and some of the Decibel 11 stuff does more than I realize.

chuck noriss, not sure what you're getting at with regard to the Alesis or suggesting I shouldn't be lazy...
 
#9
Does it specifically have to be a pedal based solution? For example, there's a ton of iOS MIDI apps that you can program to do pretty much whatever you want. Get a robust suction mount, stick it right on your instrument. Recently there were some posts about an upcoming MIDI controller that installs onto your guitar body though I don't immediately know how programmable it is: Invalid Link Removed
 
#10
gastric said:
Does it specifically have to be a pedal based solution? For example, there's a ton of iOS MIDI apps that you can program to do pretty much whatever you want. Get a robust suction mount, stick it right on your instrument. Recently there were some posts about an upcoming MIDI controller that installs onto your guitar body though I don't immediately know how programmable it is: Invalid Link Removed
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That's really interesting visually speaking, but I don't have the time to watch the video clips right now. I think in a vacuum I would prefer a pedal-based product, but who knows? My question is of the MIDI based apps you are referring to, how do they connect to the pedals? What sort of interface product is required? None of my current pedals are bluetooth enabled.

After some more thought, this thread actually helped me to narrow down and explain what I think might be a possible/plausible product. Maybe the DPC-5 (or something like it) could be programmed to do this, maybe not. I'll have to contact them closer to the point at which I'm actually ready to purchase said product (which is not in the very near future). This is mostly an exercise in wishful thinking/planning what I would want. Here goes.

You have six switches on the DPC-5, and I like the layout of one dedicated "mode" switch and five other "function" switches. That actually sounds perfect for what I would be looking for, if it could do the following.

MODE SWITCH: cycles between "bank mode," "direct mode," and some unspecified number of MIDI channels. Right now I'm thinking 4 MIDI channels, but maybe up to 6 or so for future flexibility, so that you would have a total of 6-8ish modes that the mode switch is cycling through
BANK MODE: your five function footswitches control banks and patches, maybe bank up/down, with three patches per bank. Each "patch" is a preprogrammed combination of which loops are on/off and maybe MIDI PC commands (sent on different channels to the different units?)
DIRECT MODE: the five function footswitches manually control which loops are on/off. No messing with MIDI.
MIDI CHANNEL MODE: Each mode sends PC/CC on a different channel. So basically, by cycling through the different modes, I am selecting which pedal I am controlling (Eventide units, Line6, maybe set one of these to a Source Audio Hub, etc.). The five function switches would control various functions (PC increment, PC decrement, tuner, tap tempo, etc.).

LEDs/LCD indication of the modes and such would be great.

What I'm not clear on is if the different pedals can be set to different MIDI channels and operate in the way I'm suggesting. Or if the programming is as simple as I'm making it out to be.
 
#11
Hi there: if i understood correctly, you have a "hardware/routing" problem here (as you need to access several devices on separate channels) and a master (command/program change generator)/slave (command/program change recipient)

I would take care of the routing getting a midisolutions quadra through that will bring to 4 channels whatever to send to it.

I would assign each unit a channel and make sure they just listen on their channel (not omni mode)

I would program your foot midi controller to send patches of midi messages as needed it.

I don't use a Foot midi controller (i just send midi info from Mainstage) but my quadra through unit has been reliable for several years of constant abuse

I hope this helps
 
#12
I've been thinking about this more. I'm looking into getting a Quadra Thru for other reasons, but that's not really the issue.

After further research, I've seen that as long as I have complete control over the programmable MIDI message, including the MIDI channel, there are lots of products that would do half (and the important half at that) of what I want---a full MIDI controller that will do what I want with various MIDI-controlled pedals, and save "banks" of MIDI commands in different presets.

The other thing I was interested in was if there is a looper where I can switch over to MIDI control independently of the looper. What I don't want is a limited set of MIDI controls per patch, that can only be used with that patch in that arrangement, which are "tied" to the patch/loop switching.

I've sort of run out of room on my board for something like this anyway; if there is a good MIDI solution, I would probably adopt that over a looper. (Maybe the Guitar Wing?)
 
#13
I had resigned myself to getting some Disaster Area gear but I have to say that the new Musicomlab EFX MKIV looks pretty stellar...and in a very reasonably sized enclosure. I also stumbled upon this today (Invalid Link Removed). For the feature set and price I've yet to see it's equivalent. I'd still need a midi programmable looper for my pedals and there's very little real-world experience available on their products, however.
 
#17
Adamixoye said:
Too late
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Meh, no Guitar Wing mention.

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