Hi all. First of all I would like to say that I have only recently discovered this (fantastic) site and have been reading various discussions/problems etc. and that I was extremely impressed with the level of knowledge, willingness to help young players and general friendliness of the site. so thank you all for that, this is a fantastic resource! I particularly enjoyed the "If only I knew then what I knew know" post... there's a lot of very very useful information in there that I am glad I've come across. I'm a young player about to go to university to study music interested in becoming a session bassist. I really can't imagine myself doing anything else with my life. Basically I would like to share an experience with you all and hopefully find out what I can do to avoid such situations in the future. When I was still at school I became friends with a guy who played guitar and sang. Now this guy also wrote some pretty amazing songs... but what really shocked me was how frequently he wrote these tunes, and how different they were from each other. When I first met him I was a very inexperienced player; didn't know much about music at all, but I liked what I was hearing very much and he asked me to play bass for him, so I said yes. We picked up a drummer. At this point I had started to breach the musical world... gotten to know a few things and starting recognising what was good and what.. wasn't. Now this drummer was, and is, a hell of a nice guy, one of the nicest. But he couldn't drum... didn't have much sense of rhythm, bad timing, and generally played the same beat to most things. I wasn't happy but I went with it and we got some gigs together, they went ok, and then this drummer left school so we had to look for another one. I was pretty pleased actually because by the time he left, I was interested in improving my musicianship and as a bass player I realised that a good drummer is, very often, our best friend. So next school year, we audition this guy in the year below us. I'd heard him play before but wasn't particularly impressed. But man... he had been working! In a *very* short time, he had improved a LOT. So we took him on and I was very happy! Unfortunately, this is where the problems started. At this point, I had started playing seriously, got my timing nailed down, worked tirelessly to become a better player, more versatile, more adaptive, have the right attitude, that kind of thing. And I saw the same thing in the new drummer. He practiced with a metronome just as I did, he was practicing almost all the time, really improving. But. The more I learned about music, the more I improved myself and the more I saw the drummer improve, the more I noticed how mediocre the bandleader was. He played guitar as well; I just never realised how badly. He didn't have a clue about tone, didn't care about how his guitar sounded, could care less about strumming patterns, was perfectly content with having terrible timing and missing notes all the time. He sang as well. But, like before, I never realised how badly. He was constantly out of tune, chainsmoked (which I'm guessing didn't help for a LEAD VOCALIST) and in some songs tried to make his voice what it definitely wasn't... stuff like putting on fake accents, that kind of thing. But man, could he write songs. So we get around to recording a demo after a while playing together. Me and the drummer get our parts nailed. He is content with mediocrity. Just to put this into perspective... I had to do most of the guitar parts for this guy just to make sure they were with the rhythm section. His singing was awful; out of tune etc.... so much so that no amount of tuning correction in Logic Pro could fix it. Worst of all, this guy had a terrible attitude. I swear his guitar skills didn't improve at all in the 4 or so years I knew him. As a musician, I view that as unacceptable. He constantly cut short rehearsals so that he could go and do what he wanted to do. At gigs, we played songs HE wanted to play. Myself and the drummer had no input at all. We did most of the mixing. We made the CD's. We did the promotion. We did the websites. The bandleader did *nothing*. Looking back I don't know why I didn't quit sooner... maybe because there weren't a lot of musicians around (especially ones who could write like this guy can) and I just wanted to keep playing. In the end we broke up when we all left school... to be honest, glad I don't have to deal with this guy's unprofessionalism ever again. We did finish the demo eventually... but this guy's mediocrity makes in unlistenable to me. It's a shame I wasted so much of my time with him. Especially when myself and the drummer wanted to become serious, professional musicians. Anyway... that's my story etc. Thoughts?