no, king's x's 4th album has a song called "black flag."
i did see the dead kennedys back in the day, though.
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Doug Pinnick Bass Rig: A Pic
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i did see the dead kennedys back in the day, though.
Jimmy M already posted it, but when I saw them during the Faith, Hope, Love era, Doug was using 2 Fender Dual Showman amps for his high end.
I will also will echo what everyone has said about Doug. He is a very nice guy that will spend hours talking to kids hanging out before and after the show. I saw King's X and Blue Murder when they were both on a tour supporting Billy Squier. I got to meet the guys in King's X, talk to Doug at length, an I met the guys in Blue Murder (John Sykes, Tony Franklin, one of the Appice brothers) and got to talk to them. Man it was like a dream come true for a young bass player to meet and talk to Doug And Tony Franklin. night. They were all fantastic guys.
I will also will echo what everyone has said about Doug. He is a very nice guy that will spend hours talking to kids hanging out before and after the show. I saw King's X and Blue Murder when they were both on a tour supporting Billy Squier. I got to meet the guys in King's X, talk to Doug at length, an I met the guys in Blue Murder (John Sykes, Tony Franklin, one of the Appice brothers) and got to talk to them. Man it was like a dream come true for a young bass player to meet and talk to Doug And Tony Franklin. night. They were all fantastic guys.
Yeah, I actually met Dug in the Parking lot when they played here last fall. They opened for Extreme, I caught Kings X and about two minutes of Extreme.
Dugs sound is phenomenal especially in the power trio format. There are times when Ty will drop out on the guitar and be playing a solo and it sounds like there's still a bass and a couple of guitars with Marshall stacks on stage. As a bass player Dugs technique has never blown me away but his time (the whole band inserts lots of odd meter measures in tunes), his writing, and his singing are just killer. Kings X is truly the most underrated band in rock. And their "style" is not really my thing, but I never refuse a chance to see them. They also write about more stuff then just getting laid or break-ups which is refreshing in Rock today. They actually THINK about stuff in their songwritting. Something that is quite uncommon in rock music today.
Dugs sound is phenomenal especially in the power trio format. There are times when Ty will drop out on the guitar and be playing a solo and it sounds like there's still a bass and a couple of guitars with Marshall stacks on stage. As a bass player Dugs technique has never blown me away but his time (the whole band inserts lots of odd meter measures in tunes), his writing, and his singing are just killer. Kings X is truly the most underrated band in rock. And their "style" is not really my thing, but I never refuse a chance to see them. They also write about more stuff then just getting laid or break-ups which is refreshing in Rock today. They actually THINK about stuff in their songwritting. Something that is quite uncommon in rock music today.
not sure what they do now, but they used to use several different tunings.
standard tuning
drop D
C-G-D-G
B-F#-D-G
he and ty both would drop the two lowest strings as needed and leave the other 4 where they were. and each of them had like 4 instruments.
I remember they opened up for porcupine tree...
The venue wasn't the best but his bass was quite muddy compared to PTs....
That's about all I remember besides his motivational speech...
The venue wasn't the best but his bass was quite muddy compared to PTs....
That's about all I remember besides his motivational speech...
Random thread necro friend 
However, I recommend everyone go check out that link. Dug does a demo extolling the virtues of the pedal in riff and Rhyme
However, I recommend everyone go check out that link. Dug does a demo extolling the virtues of the pedal in riff and Rhyme
Loudnlow, Can you please describe how to set up a perfect smaller Dug sounding rig pretty please? Sounds like you know exactly what you're doing. I want a tone like Dugs. He has THE best rock tone. Really appreciate
anyones help who really knows how to put it together. I have a bunch of gear, and can buy more stuff if needed. 
anyones help who really knows how to put it together. I have a bunch of gear, and can buy more stuff if needed. 
this is what dUg told me about his rig, in very simplified terms:
"I use 2 signals, one for high end with a guitar pre amp. and 2 straight low end compressed until every note is even and no drop outs, but only compress the low end. Leave open the high end witch keeps the dynamics in the dynamics."
the rig i built, i split my signal, run each side to an eq.
on the low end i eq out the high, run through a compressor and then to a preamp.
the high end i eq pretty much like dUg in that pic there, cut off most of the mids and all the lows, a bit of the highs, and run it through a guitar preamp. currently its a berhinger vamp but looking to check out a line 6.
i send both signals to a boss ls-2 to mix the sginals together so i dont have to have 2 separate amps. 2 amps would be nice, but its not really practical on stages where you never know what kind of sound guy you will get.
it all fits nice and tidy in a (relatively) small rack. it gives me a great dUg-like tone for my 12 string bass. my 4 string i go for a bit of a different sound but thats where my ampeg SVP-BSP preamp comes in. this pic has some random cables hooked up that arent part of it now, and the settings arent what i use for this setup, but it is all the gear for my current setup. this was a work in progress pic but its the only pic i have online.
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"I use 2 signals, one for high end with a guitar pre amp. and 2 straight low end compressed until every note is even and no drop outs, but only compress the low end. Leave open the high end witch keeps the dynamics in the dynamics."
the rig i built, i split my signal, run each side to an eq.
on the low end i eq out the high, run through a compressor and then to a preamp.
the high end i eq pretty much like dUg in that pic there, cut off most of the mids and all the lows, a bit of the highs, and run it through a guitar preamp. currently its a berhinger vamp but looking to check out a line 6.
i send both signals to a boss ls-2 to mix the sginals together so i dont have to have 2 separate amps. 2 amps would be nice, but its not really practical on stages where you never know what kind of sound guy you will get.
it all fits nice and tidy in a (relatively) small rack. it gives me a great dUg-like tone for my 12 string bass. my 4 string i go for a bit of a different sound but thats where my ampeg SVP-BSP preamp comes in. this pic has some random cables hooked up that arent part of it now, and the settings arent what i use for this setup, but it is all the gear for my current setup. this was a work in progress pic but its the only pic i have online.
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It's probably been said a number of times but in my realization over the years and talking to him a few times about it, I think a huge portion of his tone comes from using a pick with that super low tuning with fairly standard gauge strings and his heavy use of a precision pickup. On some basses, it is the only pick up.
I have heard him through the Traynor rig, then the Line 6, then the Ashdown head (which isn't known for a ton of drive) and through each one he sounded the same to me.
That compressed low end (which can really be heard while he tunes up) is like an earthquake. Holy crow !
I have heard him through the Traynor rig, then the Line 6, then the Ashdown head (which isn't known for a ton of drive) and through each one he sounded the same to me.
That compressed low end (which can really be heard while he tunes up) is like an earthquake. Holy crow !
A few weeks ago I got to see D. P. do two shows with a back lined rig. He was using a Fractal Audio Axe Fx rack box driving an SVT into 2 8x10s. Anyone here know anything about these?
http://www.fractalaudio.com
Several artists at this 'festival' were using them for both guitar and bass. Billy Sheehan was also on the bill, but he had a Hartke rig with an EBS preamp- no Fractal Audio.
D.P.'s tone in the room and side stage was nice, but I'm not sure it was the kind of massive he might have had earlier in his career.
Man, did he look like he was having fun though!
http://www.fractalaudio.com
Several artists at this 'festival' were using them for both guitar and bass. Billy Sheehan was also on the bill, but he had a Hartke rig with an EBS preamp- no Fractal Audio.
D.P.'s tone in the room and side stage was nice, but I'm not sure it was the kind of massive he might have had earlier in his career.
Man, did he look like he was having fun though!
The Fractal Audio Systems AxeFx is a big player in high end tube amp modeling and effects processing. Though it doesn't have a huge "artist" list of bassists, Dug is one of them. They are mostly found amongst guitarists, though, and can be used effectively live and in the studio as a complete DI solution for everything outside the guitar itself (stomp pedals/drives, rack processor effects, amp modeling, cabinet simulation, extremely powerful/flexible routing of all effects, sophisticated performance MIDI implementation, etc.).
Here's a link that describes it better than I can:
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The processor has a few bass amp models (SVT, Orange AD200B, Mesa 400) and a bunch of bass cab simulations. I'm an owner and have been using it on bass for years. It's really the premier device of its type, especially if you need lots of effects and routing schemes. So it's no surprise to me that Dug would find value in replacing his old mega-racks of gear (EQs, preamps, crossovers, etc.) with a 2 space unit that can breeze through a virtual setup of his old rig, as well as a whole lot more, all stored in one of 384 presets.
Really, the creative routing and live control possibilities are nearly unlimited with the AxeFxII...however...like any piece of gear, it may not be your cup of tea. Tweak geeks love the thing. Plug and play dudes sometimes struggle and get frustrated. It's an expensive (relatively) sophisticated box, and it is constantly getting free firmware upgrade improvements on a regular basis. Go to the Fractal Audio Forum if you really want to learn more about the things it can do. Your typical club bassist may find it to be overkill if all you need is a stomp or two and a traditional bass amp. If you have more demanding needs, or use lots of effects live, or do a lot of real-time effects blending (TOOL, for example), the AxeFxII is a fantastic piece of gear. JMHO.
