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Down Sizing. Should I?

The overall comments I here is "that guy thinks he is so cool because he has that sweet sounding Eden stuff. If I had it I would sound just as good, he (me) sucks".

Just banter really. People still come to our shows in groves but the few comments I hear like that really piss me off. All I hear from people after shows is, "the mix was great and your bass sounded killer".

Our soundman is our engineer. He has a good understanding of our sound.
 
I downsized and upgraded at the same time. I was using my Crate BXH220 and BX810e stack, but the 8X10 took up too much truck space and we were getting more out of town shows, so I decided to try a 1X15 with an EVM-15L in it. Well, I had one that was in a homebrew cab and liked it. Wanted an 8 ohm version, so I sold the 4 ohm and got a Mesa Diesel 1X15. I also started using my Ampeg SVT-100 head live after restoring it, but keeping the Crate with me as a backup in case the GE-6550A power tubes ever die(I'm guessing the filaments would be the first to go on these since the SVT-100 runs the same as a Marshall JCM800(same power transformer).
The Ampeg/Mesa rig sounds so much better. Haven't gotten any of the comments you've been getting though, but my DIY/modded/restored rig does make for some good conversation with other bassists/
 
firkinahsoul said:
The overall comments I here is "that guy thinks he is so cool because he has that sweet sounding Eden stuff. If I had it I would sound just as good, he (me) sucks".

Just banter really. People still come to our shows in groves but the few comments I hear like that really piss me off. All I hear from people after shows is, "the mix was great and your bass sounded killer".

Our soundman is our engineer. He has a good understanding of our sound.

That's the lamest thing I've ever heard, I can't believe you're concerned with them.
 
Really, the issue at hand isn't so much 'downsizing' as it is 'downgrading.' I don't mean that in regards to Fenders vs. Spectors as I think each has it's own unique merits, but in terms of the flack you're occasionally getting from audience members, or, more to the point, disgruntled other bassists who are unable to appreciate your playing because they're so stuck on what you're playing with and through, the tacet assumption here is that it's not so much an issue of a smaller rig (which could be just as, or even more high end than the rig you're alread using) as it is a less expensive rig.

Which is garbage.

While there's something to be said for being able to work with whatever's lying around, which comes in handy if you live in an area where clubs provide drums and bass rigs and you have to find the closest approximation of your sound in the fifteen minutes you get between bands, when you have the chance to choose your own equipment there's no reason why you shouldn't use whatever you like. I've read more than a few interviews with pro players who advise to get the best equipment you can afford. And 'best' may not mean 'most expensive' 'Best' is a balance between tone, reliability, portability and suitability to the gig, so whatever works for you without breaking the bank is valid as far as I'm concerned. Given the number of potential barriers in any given venue to the clear representation of your tone as you want to hear it, every advantage you can give yourself (again, within the bounds of your budget) is justified in my opinion.

It should also be pointed out that we're talking strictly about live reinforcement here. In the studio you never know what's going to work. You may find that the Neumann in front of a 410XLT gives you the exact sound you want, or you may find that on one tune you blow the dust off that Polytone Mini-Brute and throw an SM57 in front of it, just because the sound works for that particular tune. In the studio it's a controlled acoustic environment so you don't have to worry about things like 'am I loud enough' or 'is the sound man EQing me with his idea of what I should sound like' so the concerns are different.

So yeah, use whatever you like. I used to go through the same thing in my last band where I ran a smaller but similar setup to yours with a WT-300 as a preamp into a QSC RMX 1450 powering a 210XLT and a 212XLT, both 4ohms. But really, the only time I felt kinda dumb was when we'd be traveling to an unfamiliar venue and we'd show up and the stage would be the size of a dining room table and the venue would be so tiny I'd have to stoop to get in the door (the Cave in Chapel Hill comes to mind...) So fine...maybe leave the 210 in the car. Or screw it and just turn down.

But as far as people getting on your case for having good gear, unless you're trying to fit a specific image I wouldn't pay them any attention. If they're going to spend more time analyzing your gear than listening to your music as a whole then changing your gear isn't going to help, it'll only change the thread of discussion. Concern yourself more with the people who don't know or don't care about the gear but are there to listen to your music.

J.
 
Both of my basses are sub $200. I played a show with my fretless and got a comment that I'd probably get more respect if I used a better bass. I was shocked by this because I really prefer small bodied basses and this was the only fretless that I could afford that had a body that I liked (my price limit was $500 at the time.) I passed up "nicer" basses because I don't care about image so much as sound, and I play better on a bass I'm comfortable on. I thought all musicians were that way (what can I say, I was naive.) My point is it happens no matter what, unles you play a jazz bass or a ric through an ampeg svt rig you get flak. Brush 'em off.
 
josh_m said:
I played a show with my fretless and got a comment that I'd probably get more respect if I used a better bass.

It boggles the mind, doesn't it? Some people will get on your case for having gear that exceeds they're idea of what you should be playing, and some will get on your case for not having gear that meets their price point.

Mind you, there are plenty of folks who have spent more money on gear than they have on time practicing, but that's a separate issue altogether and that usually shows itself in his/her playing. I do remember sitting in a little restaurant in Newtown, PA about ten years ago watching a guy load in his rack for a dinner jazz gig. Between the two Modulus 5's and the refrigerator sized rack I was prepared to be pretty impressed by a fellow who had reached such a gear plateau.

Swung like a brick. The whole night. And he looked foolish. So there you have another problem. His gear was more impressive than he was.

Oh well. I've spent yet another rambling post blathering on when I really should restate what everyone else has said. Play what works for you.

J.
 
My only concern with your rig would be whether you really need two 410XLTs. Those are some pretty monstrous cabs! If you're playing gigs that really require them, more power to ya, but if not, I personally wouldn't wanna be bothered lugging those beasts around to every gig; I get sick of moving my 2x10s!

As for people commenting on the rest of your gear, F 'em. If you sucked, there'd be no reason to mention the gear, you'd just suck. Since the focus is on the gear, it's just jealousy.
 
I get comments like that from my band mates all the time. Truth is, my tone kills their tone. I would take the comments you get as a complement. If anyone says "I would sound as good with that equipment" say ok buddy go ahead and show me!

I listened to your clips. Great stuff man! I think your rig is perfect. I wouldn't change A THING.
 
I listened to your clips and I think you sound good. The songs sound cool as well.

I definitely wouldn't sell any of that gear. Unless you wanna sell it to me. ;) Heck, I'll trade ya my Peavey 115 and Hartke 210TP for your 2 410xlts. No one will complaign about your high-priced rig again. :D