"Drop top" wood for solid and painted...

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by chinjazz, May 29, 2019.

  1. Hey All,

    With the recent higher volume of chat about making lighter weight basses, I’ve come up with some interesting questions.

    I’ve made two body blanks (both of which I think are kind of heavy so chambering is in order), and I’m not 100% sure I like the grain patterns for clear coating.....

    Mahogany
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    Northern Ash
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    Questions:

    What’s the most ideal goal of wood choice to make drop tops if I were to paint solid colors? I think this would relative to the body wood.

    Back top
    Should it be a harder wood than the body on the back if I were to opt for a big control cavity slice out of the top?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Bruce Johnson

    Bruce Johnson Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 4, 2011
    Fillmore, CA
    Professional Luthier
    When you say "drop top" do you mean pulled down and formed in 2-D over a contoured body? Or do mean just a "top"; a thin flat board glued down over the cavities? That makes a big difference in what wood you choose.

    If you are painting a solid color, then a tight-grained wood like maple would mean less filling of the grain to make a smooth surface.

    Whenever you glue a top or a back onto a chambered-out body, you probably will be changing its stiffness. It depends on what wood you choose and how thick the top/back is. If you start with a soft light wood for the body, rout out a bunch of chambers, then glue on a 1/4" maple top, you may defeat the purpose of the chambering. It may end up stiffer and nearly as heavy as it would have been unchambered and no top. What do you want to do? Are you trying to just save weight, or are you trying to modify the sound?
     
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  3. dwizum

    dwizum

    Dec 21, 2018
    When it comes to just about any woodworking project, the instant I hear "painted" my mind says "poplar." It takes paint well, it's close-grained so there's no grain fill needed, it's super easy to work with, it's dirt cheap, it's light, and although it's not the hardest or most durable wood out there, it'll certainly hold up fine (better than many softer woods at least, like basswood).

    But I think Bruce makes some good points about clarifying your goals first!
     
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  4. Hey Bruce,
    I meant to say top and back. Thanks for the clarification on terminology :).

    I see your points on starting with how soft the body wood is (I guess I was on the rightish path).

    In my case with both of these 2 body’s are pretty darn hard and weighty. I’m basically looking to remove extra weight this go round.

    I’m getting a digital postal scale to do some comparisons with other body’s tonight.

    Thanks!
     
  5. dwizum

    dwizum

    Dec 21, 2018
    Can I ask an obvious and potentially dumb question? If you want lighter bodies, and those blanks are so heavy, and you're painting anyways, why not use those for something else and go with a solid or chambered body out of a lighter wood?
     
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  6. Thanks Dwizum!

    Poplar could be just right for this, or maybe some soft maple. On a related note, I was shopping around for figured tops and they can get pretty pricy fast. But I’m good with resawing once I find the right wood.

    Yes, I really appreciate Bruce’s clarifying as it helps me speak the right language :)
     
  7. No dumb questions here on TB:LC :)

    Good question actually!

    These just happen to be the first body blanks I’ve made and I have a feeling they may be too heavy. My first single cut bolt on came out on the heavy side and I’m basically exploring at this point for another. I could in fact get some lighter wood for that.

    I’m also making a jazz style bass which the Northern Ash body may be great for.

    Thanks for asking :)
     
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  8. charlie monroe

    charlie monroe Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2011
    Buffalo, NY
    I, for one, would be disappointed if any paint landed on those blanks. Pretty nice grain you have going there.

    How about cutting 5/16” off the top, chamber the heck out of them and then glue the the thin stock you removed right back down on them?

    You could do this with or without an accent veneer. If you do go without, you may even get an almost invisible seam.

    Edit: just realized that the ash is a 4 board build up. So much for invisible seam, haha.
     
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  9. Hey Charlie,

    Good idea! That may be an option for the Mahagany. I’d have to re-cut the center join as my band saw isn’t big enough to resaw that tall. Cool!

    Thanks!
     
  10. Paulabass

    Paulabass

    Sep 18, 2017
    A 'drop-top' a la Tom Anderson is done by soaking the top in fabric softener, then bending it to fit the contours of the pre carved back. I've never done one, but saw them bending some tops at the Fender factory for prototypes.
     
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  11. Yes, that's been clarified for me. I don't think I'll do anything like that in the future even though I can bend wood pretty good now.
     
  12. charlie monroe

    charlie monroe Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2011
    Buffalo, NY
    Downy or Snuggles?

    What's the best fabric softener for brootul metal tonez?
     
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  13. Paulabass

    Paulabass

    Sep 18, 2017
    It was explained to me that bending tops is more difficult than bending side wood, as an Anderson top is just over a 1/4" thick. I thought is was really cool that they use fabric softener, and thought I'd share that.
     
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  14. Paulabass

    Paulabass

    Sep 18, 2017
    I googled it. Downy. Article didn't mention metal.
     
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  15. micguy

    micguy

    May 17, 2011
    If you're using fabric softener on the wood, I'll posit that the bass will never be good for metal. But it'll be nice to snuggle up with on a cold evening.
     
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  16. Bruce Johnson

    Bruce Johnson Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 4, 2011
    Fillmore, CA
    Professional Luthier
    Yes, my late friend Mike Lipe put thick bent tops on the bodies of many of his guitar models. Flame, quilted, spalted, burls, all kinds of woods that were really difficult to bend. We fought with them, and he eventually got a reasonable technique down. It involved a vacuum bag, a bunch of big clamps, shaped wooden cauls, saw kerfs, pre-bending, a lot of profanity, many failures, and of course, fabric softner. I think he used a brand from the Dollar Store. Maybe that was our problem.

    If you want to get into thick bent tops, be prepared for some heavy trial and error.
     
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  17. Thick bent tops are definitely not on my radar :)
     
  18. Keger Jupit

    Keger Jupit Inactive

    May 10, 2018
    The Great PNW!!
    Can't say it better than that! Those ARE nice
     
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  19. Oh thanks! I think they’re growing on me :)
     
  20. I have chambered a few two piece bodies where I cut each of the sides like I was bookmatching them. I chambered both sides then glued the two pieces back together. You can see the join line if you look closely, but just barely. Just another option if you want to lighten things up, but not lose the look.
     
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