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Drop tuning w 4 string bass

I have a wonderful niece who has really taken up electric bass. She is playing w a band and having a blast playing an Ibanez medium scale bass (good for her small hands).
Now her band is playing some rock with drop tuning for the guitars. She asked me what to do and i recommended not dropping her tuning (she's already a full octave lower than the others), just play the notes in regular tuning.
I promised to check in with other seasoned bassists to check. Any input from you guys?

That said, are there certain types of bass strings that are better for drop tuning than others?
best wishes,
Cliff

My thought is you are a musician and your first job is to serve the song, or more specifically, the arrangement. If the music requires day a D below that low E, it’s going to sound odd playing it an octave higher.

As for drop tuning, there are a couple of options, if a significant amount of the music requires notes below E, as a lot of music written after the turn of the century does, you can try to get by with a drop tuner, (I’ll have further comments about this option later), adopt BEAD tuning (of which you give up a corresponding amount of the upper range of the instrument), or buy a 5 string.

If I were starting to play today, I’d buy a 5 string. Most music calls for it and for the most part it’s the standard range for the bass instrument. I have decent size hands, but for someone with small hands can be a challenge to master.

Drop tuning is a way to get some of those extra notes, but requires some mental adjustment. I played with E string in Drop D exclusively for 5 years before switching back to standard tuning when I bought a 5 string. Muscle memory doesn’t forget or give up easily. It took me months to retrain, but others seem to have no problem switching back and forth.

I think BEAD might be an option as you don’t need a new bass, although the bass many need a set up. You will need a different set of strings and they are going to be a bit thicker.

One last point, if she is thinking she may want to play in a school band, I would consult the band director as to what she would need in the way of an instrument range wise.
 
Yes. What Jon said. I get together with the guys in a band I used to be in about once a year. Our lead singer has requested we tune down. So I have a bass just for Eb standard. I put either GHS Boomers 50-65-85-110/115 on it or a set of D'Addario XL170BT 50-120 so there is proper tension at the lower pitch. I find the D'A set works especially well in D standard tuning keeping proper tension but still has good flexibility and tonality so nothing goes thud. And this is on a 32-inch scale bass.
 
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I have a wonderful niece who has really taken up electric bass. She is playing w a band and having a blast playing an Ibanez medium scale bass (good for her small hands).
Now her band is playing some rock with drop tuning for the guitars. She asked me what to do and i recommended not dropping her tuning (she's already a full octave lower than the others), just play the notes in regular tuning.
I promised to check in with other seasoned bassists to check. Any input from you guys?

That said, are there certain types of bass strings that are better for drop tuning than others?
best wishes,
Cliff
It really depends. I personally do not like to drop my tuning, but sometimes it's really required for the song (e.g. riffs that are awkward to play in standard).
One option is a 5 string, but that does not get around the issue I just described. Another option is DGCF, or D standard tuning, which also doesn't get around the drop issue, but does at least keep her from needing to buy a 5 string. DGCF could be easier to learn as it's a standard 4ths tuning instead of a true dropped tuning. It could still potentially trip her up if she wanted to return to standard EADG.

There are special "dropped tuning" sets, but I don't think these are strictly necessary. For Drop D, a 4th string of at least .105 will do the trick. Technically speaking a dropped tuning string set is meant to equalize the tension across the string while playing a dropped tuning (i.e. the 4th string is proportionally bigger than the rest), but this is not really a concern for someone just starting out with dropped tunings.

Also, re: her being a full octave lower than guitars: She is, but she isn't. With guitars tuned to drop D, their lowest D is the same as her lowest D.

I play in a band that uses drop D occasionally, and I don't change my tuning, but I've also adapted my effects chain, technique, and note choice for this purpose, and YMMV. I'm also playing around with working a BEAD-tuned bass into my playing. If her band is going to be playing in drop D, she probably should at least try switching.
 
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I had one of my basses tuned in D standard and it sounded really good, but the guitarist in the band were tuned down to D standard as well. I did it with D'addario light gauge strings and they did ok. I kinda wish I would have put a larger gauge on there.
 
I have drop-D eXtenders on some basses and they're there if I need them.
I'm not sure I'd do drop tuning on a medium/short scale bass, though.
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I have a wonderful niece who has really taken up electric bass. She is playing w a band and having a blast playing an Ibanez medium scale bass (good for her small hands).
Now her band is playing some rock with drop tuning for the guitars. She asked me what to do and i recommended not dropping her tuning (she's already a full octave lower than the others), just play the notes in regular tuning.
I promised to check in with other seasoned bassists to check. Any input from you guys?

That said, are there certain types of bass strings that are better for drop tuning than others?
best wishes,
Cliff
Some drop-tuned riffs are difficult if not near impossible to play in standard tuning. Also if the song is in D and her lowest note is an E, playing the D the octave up is going to lack the low-end oomph that hard rock / metal calls for. Tune like the guitars tune; there's no reason not to.

DR DDT strings are what I'd recommend for drop tunings.
 
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I have a wonderful niece who has really taken up electric bass. She is playing w a band and having a blast playing an Ibanez medium scale bass (good for her small hands).
Now her band is playing some rock with drop tuning for the guitars. She asked me what to do and i recommended not dropping her tuning (she's already a full octave lower than the others), just play the notes in regular tuning.
I promised to check in with other seasoned bassists to check. Any input from you guys?

That said, are there certain types of bass strings that are better for drop tuning than others?
best wishes,
Cliff

Respectfully, your advice belies a lack of understand about why drop tuning is used.

To continue keeping the octave relationship between the bass and guitars, in order to play a song like “Slither” by Velvet Revolver it is 100% mandatory to drop the E string down to a low D.

That said, any standard set of bass strings will work just fine for drop tuning.

Congrats on having such a cool niece!
 
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I have set up both my basses (one 34" and another 37") for C standard.

With normal strings yeah its doable, but the tunings go all over the damned place.

I put on the DR Drop Down Tuning strings and they finally stay in tune. Sound killer, too.

Thats one way of doing it. Another is to use a drop tuning. YMMV.
 
She asked me what to do and i recommended not dropping her tuning (she's already a full octave lower than the others), just play the notes in regular tuning.

Cliff

So if they are drop tuning and she isn't, she's not playing a full octave lower. If they are playing a drop D, she can't hit a D note that isn't the same as the one on guitar without bringing her low E down a step.
It's okay in certain cases, some songs sound okay with the bass playing higher chords and notes, but in a Drop D situation there is often doubling guitars and a desire for the low end of a full octave down on bass.
 
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