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Dua Lipa "Levitating" infringement lawsuit

Oh, with stuff that's 500 years old, I imagine I am probably part of the extended family :). Some of the stuff even then has identified official writers. But then did they borrow it from Blind Turnip Samuel down the local tavern uncredited?
I think you are on to something! :thumbsup:


"Or on something"
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Assuming anyone ever heard the Artikal Sound System song as you alude to. You may be the only person that doesn't know the Outkast song. That was a very popular song. The situation is sort of like getting sued by Vanilla Ice for stealing his bass line while Freddy Mercury and David Bowie just shake their heads.
I don't remember ever hearing "Rosa Parks" before yesterday, and that song came out at a time when I was going out to quite a few clubs (and was working as a DJ myself). "Hey Ya" I heard all over the place; "Rosa Parks", no. Might be a regional thing.
 
I don't remember ever hearing "Rosa Parks" before yesterday, and that song came out at a time when I was going out to quite a few clubs (and was working as a DJ myself). "Hey Ya" I heard all over the place; "Rosa Parks", no. Might be a regional thing.
My kids were into "Rosa Parks"
I know because it got played at all the dance parties here at the house during that time it was out.

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I don't remember ever hearing "Rosa Parks" before yesterday, and that song came out at a time when I was going out to quite a few clubs (and was working as a DJ myself). "Hey Ya" I heard all over the place; "Rosa Parks", no. Might be a regional thing.
Maybe. You are from Canada and I did live in Atlanta. But Aquemini is a couple albums before SB/LB. It would be around the time you might have been listening to Master P or Hot Boyz.
 
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Maybe. You are from Canada and I did live in Atlanta. But Aquemini is a couple albums before SB/LB. It would be around the time you might have been listening to Master P or Hot Boyz.
Being in Quebec would, I imagine, be very different from being in Atlanta in terms of music exposure - especially where southern hip-hop is concerned. It could also be that I just wasn't going to the kinds of clubs where that song was being played. What I am sure of is that if "Rosa Parks" was getting played around here it wasn't enough for it to register in my ear - and I generally don't need to hear a song more than twice for me to recognize it on subsequent plays. "Hey Ya" and "Miss Jackson", on the other hand, were impossible to avoid.
 
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Like Blackmore's Night? You better be careful, otherwise you might get sued by Richie! :D

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Maybe. But with better hats.

Once I did a gig in what was most of the time a theatre, in the sense of Shakespeare. It took a lot of self control to not come from backstage last wearing one of the completely outrageous hats that were in the 'dressing room' which was the props and costume area. Or a mask. They had some masks like Troy THJ3118 or whatever numbers they are, has as his backdrop. With a mask on I might not have found the stage.
 
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That is my point. If it goes to court the only thing that matters to the judge is whether that Floridian band can prove that their song, only one particular song, has been ripped off or not. That's it. And it's not first time there has been such a case, and I've provided some more examples here:

Dua Lipa "Levitating" infringement lawsuit

That part about the band's ethnicity doesn't add anything. In court it certainly wouldn't. And that's the thing with some of those youtube channels; they attempt to convince their listeners by exciting their emotions rather than producing a rational argument. You can see this sort of thing occurring in talk shows, when a host or a guest says something that essentially has zero added value to a discussion. But the crowd goes wild and starts clapping and cheering, because supposedly it's the "right" thing to do.
I don’t think the court of opinions expects to match the eventual opinion of a court of law- that certainly isn’t Adam Neely’s take in this video or any of the other videos where he discusses music copyright. His point is that a growing number of professional music theorists and musicologists disagree with the way the courts are being used in the modern era for music copyright cases. It isn’t for him or music theorists/musicologists to make those judgements (we only have a flawed legal system for that), but they are allowed to have educated opinions and allowed to discuss them in public forums- you don’t have to watch his videos if you find his takes irritating.

Neely’s channel has evolved over the last few years into one where he tries to view different music topics through non-traditional/non-mainstream perspectives that inspire deeper conversation. He went to school to study Jazz theory and makes a living playing a very modernized derivative of music that was very much a creation of Black America, and a lot of his videos for years have come from a conscious perspective of someone who is borrowing heavily from a culture that isn’t his. I dig where he is coming from often, and appreciate the amount of research and work he puts into his videos even if I don’t always agree with his takes.
Anyway, I don’t get the impression that Adam Neely is trying to put out the definitive argument on this case out there, just add a fairly unique perspective as to the potential implications of such a lawsuit and why a lot of people in the music industry likely wouldn’t touch it with a ten-foot pole. The video isn’t trying to make a case to take to court but trying to add to the ongoing conversation about the implications of an increasingly litigious music industry (a natural byproduct of an industry with less and less money to spread around and lots of hungry mouths to feed).

If you want some more by-the-book perspectives on things then Adam Neely’s channel is probably not the one to turn to, and there are countless other ones to feed your itch.
 
I don’t think the court of opinions expects to match the eventual opinion of a court of law- that certainly isn’t Adam Neely’s take in this video or any of the other videos where he discusses music copyright. His point is that a growing number of professional music theorists and musicologists disagree with the way the courts are being used in the modern era for music copyright cases. It isn’t for him or music theorists/musicologists to make those judgements (we only have a flawed legal system for that), but they are allowed to have educated opinions and allowed to discuss them in public forums- you don’t have to watch his videos if you find his takes irritating.

Neely’s channel has evolved over the last few years into one where he tries to view different music topics through non-traditional/non-mainstream perspectives that inspire deeper conversation. He went to school to study Jazz theory and makes a living playing a very modernized derivative of music that was very much a creation of Black America, and a lot of his videos for years have come from a conscious perspective of someone who is borrowing heavily from a culture that isn’t his. I dig where he is coming from often, and appreciate the amount of research and work he puts into his videos even if I don’t always agree with his takes.
Anyway, I don’t get the impression that Adam Neely is trying to put out the definitive argument on this case out there, just add a fairly unique perspective as to the potential implications of such a lawsuit and why a lot of people in the music industry likely wouldn’t touch it with a ten-foot pole. The video isn’t trying to make a case to take to court but trying to add to the ongoing conversation about the implications of an increasingly litigious music industry (a natural byproduct of an industry with less and less money to spread around and lots of hungry mouths to feed).

If you want some more by-the-book perspectives on things then Adam Neely’s channel is probably not the one to turn to, and there are countless other ones to feed your itch.

:bassist::bassist: Well put.
My snarky comment was plainly intended to point him out as a hypocrite in regards to earning his income off someone else's culture. He has entire videos of him virtue signaling, I watch them too, and sometimes I turn them off. But they are full of historically accurate and interesting information. I usually agree with a most of his points, and regardless of my personal feelings about one part or another of his presentation I won't discount the whole thing.
 
:bassist::bassist: Well put.
My snarky comment was plainly intended to point him out as a hypocrite in regards to earning his income off someone else's culture. He has entire videos of him virtue signaling, I watch them too, and sometimes I turn them off. But they are full of historically accurate and interesting information. I usually agree with a most of his points, and regardless of my personal feelings about one part or another of his presentation I won't discount the whole thing.
Word is that there are some Germans out there who are pretty miffed at Neely for his frequent borrowing from their culture. :whistle:
 
:bassist::bassist: Well put.
My snarky comment was plainly intended to point him out as a hypocrite in regards to earning his income off someone else's culture. He has entire videos of him virtue signaling, I watch them too, and sometimes I turn them off. But they are full of historically accurate and interesting information. I usually agree with a most of his points, and regardless of my personal feelings about one part or another of his presentation I won't discount the whole thing.
I also think people sometimes read into things a particular way based on their own insecurities instead of the context of how they were expressed. When he mentioned them as a "white reggae band from Florida" he was doing so in the context of a discussion about the actual roots of the music tropes that both their song and Dua Lipa's song borrowed from, and saying that should they succeed in this lawsuit that this band would essentially be granted some ownership of things that they likely borrowed themselves from some previous black musicians. In the context of parts of his argument he could have just as easily labeled them as some "relatively small unknown band from Florida", but his deeper argument also included the specific origins of some of those tropes in black music (the legacy of the Charleston groove and the melody/ vocal groove in the OutKast song). If Artikal got a payout from Dua Lipa, its not like OutKast would then come around and sue Artikal for writing credits to their song because the Artikal song is virtually worthless on its own- so Artikal would basically be getting a payout and ownership for ideas previously recorded numerous times by black musicians (or that is the perspective being argued, whether you agree or disagree with the conclusion).
So I don't believe his comment was meant to diss Artikal for the color of their skin or even for having borrowed numerous musical ideas from black culture, just to point out how ridiculous it would be to give that relatively unknown band credit for ideas that have demonstrably come before and were far more likely to have been directly influential in the recording of both the Dua Lipa track and the Artikal track.

Adam Neely is regularly bringing up his own relationship to borrowing from black music- in fact I would argue that is the basis of most of his more contentious (and in my opinion, most thought-provoking) content. He isn't perfect, but IMO he is one of the better music Youtubers out there as far as making compelling content about music rather than just viewing everything through the same tired lense again and again. YMMV
 
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