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Dually Vs Dually T

Which would You choose?

  • Dually

    Votes: 10 52.6%

  • Dually T (with tweeter)

    Votes: 9 47.4%
  • Total voters
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Szyszaczek

Sep 5, 2014
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#1
Yes, again to tweet or not to tweet...

Getting those two builds with Faital 15pr400 what would be better? Is it tweeter vital with this exact driver which can get from 35Hz-5kHz? What kind of music I can play with one or another?

Could i slap with dually without tweeter?

PS I know I can switch off tweeter. But my point is that dually looks better...
 
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#2
I've got a Dually inspired 215 with the 15pr400's that I built and I will say it has enough high end for slap, but there certainly is no sparkle to the sound that the upper treble range provides. If thats what you're into then you'll need a tweeter.

If I designed mine over I'd add a mid driver or two, but def not a tweeter.
 
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coughingskunk said:
I've got a Dually inspired 215 with the 15pr400's that I built and I will say it has enough high end for slap, but there certainly is no sparkle to the sound that the upper treble range provides. If thats what you're into then you'll need a tweeter.

If I designed mine over I'd add a mid driver or two, but def not a tweeter.
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But if it is high end sound so why need for mid driver? I understand perfect cab would go from 32Hz to like 8-10kHz You dont need more. But Faitals should do the work to 4kHz or 5kHz then tweeter should take the rest/
 
#4
I own the prototype for the DuallyT. @Zoomie was perfectly happy with his Dually, then he played my T at @dukeorock 's shop and he had to have one as well. It is just a better cab.

Ultimately I dont think it matters much, as you plan to go with a local builder who is not one of greenboy's AB's. That is cool, but you should be basing your purchasing decisions on the cabs that he builds. Not the cabs someone else builds. What you will get may be a fine/great/super sounding cab, but a Dually(t) will it not be.
 
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Kind of off topic, a tad, but I have the Greenboy Bassic 15, with the Faital, and, at times, wish for a little more sizzle on top. The Faital is a great driver, and, yes, you can slap and pop, but not with that " zing " that some players like. If I ever add another one, I would definitely request a tweeter. The DuallyT would be a no brainer for me.
 
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jnewmark said:
Kind of off topic, a tad, but I have the Greenboy Bassic 15, with the Faital, and, at times, wish for a little more sizzle on top. The Faital is a great driver, and, yes, you can slap and pop, but not with that " zing " that some players like. If I ever add another one, I would definitely request a tweeter. The DuallyT would be a no brainer for me.
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Yep.

I play my DuallyT with the tweeter off in some cases. An on/off switch makes it easy to go between.
 
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Szyszaczek said:
But if it is high end sound so why need for mid driver? I understand perfect cab would go from 32Hz to like 8-10kHz You dont need more. But Faitals should do the work to 4kHz or 5kHz then tweeter should take the rest/
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In my modeled response curve for my cab I *think* the upper -3db point was around 2k. Might've been a bit higher but thats what I get for thinking. There really isn't a ton of sonic content above 3k with my cab.
 
#12
I had a Dually for a hot second. Despite that I didn't keep it (kinda miss it now, add it to the list) it was a good cabinet. If I had it a second go round, I would probably opt for the T. I think that it would help the sound be a bit more open than just a Dually.
 
#14
I have a Dually T. I don't think it needs the tweeter, and I play with it off pretty much 99% of the time.

I should really try to turn down the highs from my usual settings and THEN turn on the tweeter, but I never feel like my highs are missing with it off.

I have a Dial on mine so I can adjust the level from 0 to full on. I like that better than a simple switch.

I also play with a fair amount of effects and dirt boxes and don't like how they interact with the tweeter.

I've never liked tweeters in any of my cabs, and generally prefer "vintage" bass tones.
 
#15
primussucks9126 said:
I have a Dial on mine so I can adjust the level from 0 to full on. I like that better than a simple switch.
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I have both attenuator, and on/off switch. I leave it on full though, and control the highs with my amp. When I switch the tweeter of, I do get a noticeable tonal change then. I use the tweeter for just a little added crispness to the notes, it isnt on all the time, but it matters when it is there.
 
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#17
I ran a Dually for a while and was in heaven. Best cab that I ever owned. Was down at Mark Robertson's for a gear nerd day. CL400Peavey's brand spankin new DuallyT was there. He was kind enough to allow me to hear his new baby before he did. We tested side by side with my Dually, using my Reiner 6SL7 Pre and a Carvin DCM 3000L for power. Also ran my my Streamie. We ran two different P's, My Custom Grove (Funeral Bass),my Dingwall Super J5, and yes even Mark's Blast Cult Upright and Epi Upright. Oh and Mark and I both played all of it, having different playing styles.

Both cabs sounded phenomenal. In the end, both Mark and I agreed that the DuallyT, while nothing overt, had something magical going on. And while both cabinets sounded amazing, it was important to me to have the T option. Why wouldn't I, since I can add as much or as little as the material demands, or even kill it all together.

As for slapping, yes it can be done on the Dually and sounds more than respectable. It only failed to accurately reproduce was I was playing one time.......some stutters. And I suspect that it was likely attributed to my technique because I was never able to recreate it again.

With my DuallyT, I can pretty much cut someone's head off with pulls, which tells me the tweet is giving me edge to round out that tone.

I play so often and run two different heads with great tone and response. I basically adjust bottom/lows for a room, then finalize tone by dialing in the amount of tweet I want. It has ends up anywhere between 3 and 7. Never more. Never less. And that's irregardless of the bass I use, or playing technique i.e. Fingerstyle versus picking.

In the end, I felt that the T was valuable enough and additive enough to my taste in tone that I sold my Dually and asked Mark to make me my DuallyT.

My thoughts are this. Unless the choice literally comes down to buying Dually or not running a GB, buy the T.

I am well north of 200 gigs/events on the T. I spend much of my time playing CC/Praise. Depending on material, I may need clean and warm, up to just shy of fuzz. I need a cab that can handle massive transient attacks like grabbing a huge handful of low B to shake both the floor and rafters. Frankly, I have yet to find a genre that the DuallyT cannot handle. I even run my NS NXT upright through it and it sounds amazing.

I havent looked at another big boy cabinet since, nor do I have the desire to.

Here's Mark fondling the Super J5 while we tested Dually versus DuallyT

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Mark actually has lots of toys in his studio. We pretty much played through everything in multiple iterations. DuallyT was the best sounding cab there, bar none.

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My big boy rig

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Both my rigs. That's an F115 next to the DuallyT

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Bass Face from Dually

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Bass face from DuallyT ;)

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#18
@Zoomie

Wow! thanks for that input!

As a question does two bassics would sound exactly as dually? Measurments are similiar, and both probably are tuned to around 55Hz.

Btw tuning faitals on 55Hz gives them little bump, would I lost much if tuned down to 45Hz making curves flat?

and another thing, I am just in big ? if to buy dually, get similar cab build by local builder, or build it my own. Putting in this order its like $ > $ >$ AND quality > guality > guality :D :D :D
 
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#19
It is my understanding that two Bassics do not sound like a Dually. I don't know ffor sure, but suspect it has something to do with single versus dual enclosure.

While I am competent in basic woodworking skills, I am not a fan of the "a cabinet is just a box with a speaker in it." Because of this, I believe that people that know what they are doing will always be able to build a better cab than I can. Further, I have two friends both adept in speaker design. I am certain that either or both would be more than happy to walk me through every intricate detail. That said, I would still end up with a better cabinet if the right builder builds for me.

I cant speak intelligently about tuning. Someone way smarter than me needs to answer your question.

I think the bottom line is, if you are severely restricted in budget, go ahead and accept the challenge to self-build. With the right design, you will likely still end up with a better gear and tone than you currently have. But without serious study and a significant number of cab builds under your built, it is unlikely that you will build a better cab than a pro custom builder.

My two cents. Your mileage may vary.
 

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