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Dumbest reason ever to get fired from a band

I am old enough to remember when all we had were land line phones … I remember the first answering machine I got with a cassette tape in it to record messages. I thought I had died and went to heaven. And to learn songs I had to buy sheet music that was usually wrong, or play along with a vinyl record over and over until it was scratched up …

I would have loved to have email and youtube
 
Email is the worst for doing any group coordination. All it takes is for someone to NOT "reply all" and comms are off the rail.

Instead you've got group text, WhatsApp, Slack and any number of other group collab or social media chat channels. Maybe your BL doesn't have a mobile? Not that you need a mobile to use any of these platforms.....
I would completely disagree here. There is no real excuse for not understanding how reply-all works, or to not notice when you get a private message out of a reply-all chain. E-mail provides a collaboration space free from outside influence.

I don't have accounts on WhatsApp/Instagram/Slack/Twitter, and neither will I. Trying to require me to use one for any group function is a quick way to get me to politely refuse partaking. I'm sure others would feel the exact opposite, and would refuse to collaborate over email and that's fine.

I've dislike all forms of social media I've partaken in, and am not going to subject myself to what more closely resembles social vomit than social collaboration.
 
Anyone who doesn't have and regularly check a fully functional primary email account and can't be trusted regarding Reply vs. Reply All is going to have consistency and reliability problems on many other levels. It is one of the things upon which correlation can be strongly trusted. I definitely prefer email for band stuff.

Definitely agree with the fist part of your comment! In my very casual jam band, email is fine (although things often go off the rails).

For a working band, email falls apart quickly, IMO, even with smart, attentive, trustworthy individuals. Just too saturated a channel to keep track of things easily even for the best of them.
 
I would completely disagree here. There is no real excuse for not understanding how reply-all works, or to not notice when you get a private message out of a reply-all chain. E-mail provides a collaboration space free from outside influence.

I don't have accounts on WhatsApp/Instagram/Slack/Twitter, and neither will I. Trying to require me to use one for any group function is a quick way to get me to politely refuse partaking. I'm sure others would feel the exact opposite, and would refuse to collaborate over email and that's fine.

I've dislike all forms of social media I've partaken in, and am not going to subject myself to what more closely resembles social vomit than social collaboration.

I get where you're coming from.

Our guitar player was having major issues with email. missing messages, not coordinating, delayed responses, etc etc. He suggested coordinating using FB groups/chat since he was a big FB user. I refused for the same reason you referred to...I didn't care for the social vomintary mixed in with band business. no thanks. In a previous band, we tried using Google Calendar, but again, the streams were crossed. I didn't really care when Steve's massage appointment was occurring.

So I set up a Slack channel for us - everyone was on within an hour and it started working for us right away. No issues. We also used it to share setlists, audio, video, etc. No biggie.

IME, Slack was a single purpose, single channel thing for us - band business and band members only. No outside influence/non topical posts, etc. Pretty simple. The guitar player who was the most luddite of the group grasped it quickly and it worked really well for us. It was also the single trusted record of anything we agreed upon. You get an email or a text from someone asking when we were rehearsing or where the next gig was? "Check Slack" was always the answer.

I am working with one musician who is completely off email and mostly off of text. He's a visionary tech guy working in a high profile position at a top tier tech company. I don't know what drives him, but he's a Slack guy and that's how I contact him. Aside from driving up to his house and drinking all his beer! Works for me.

Just my experience. Not for everyone, I guess.
 
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Definitely agree with the fist part of your comment! In my very casual jam band, email is fine (although things often go off the rails).

For a working band, email falls apart quickly, IMO, even with smart, attentive, trustworthy individuals. Just too saturated a channel to keep track of things easily even for the best of them.

You say these things happen, but don't example how or why. Fortune 500 businesses use email.
 
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Just like playing the bass and being in a band, the more flexible you are with your ability to communicate, the more doors and opportunities you open up for yourself, and the more efficient you have the potential to be. I'm no fan of social media myself, I don't have a personal Facebook page and never will. But there's no denying it's utility for reaching out to people on a large scale and promotion, so I'd be a real piece of samsonite if I just outright refused to have a band Facebook page because *I* don't like Facebook.

Completely slamming doors on different forms of communication is pretty closed-minded and even smacks of diva-ism. The biggest turn-off to me on any audition is someone who comes in and starts telling us what *he's* not gonna do. Let me tell yas... that kind of attitude ain't gonna get him the job, I don't care how good he is.
 
I got fired from a band because the drummer didn't like me. He didn't used to like me and he still didn't. He also didn't bother to learn any of the songs. He just winged it. Said I was too uptight because I insisted we practice (he was good showing up to gigs cold) and he said I just copied what the musicians were playing on the cover songs and I didn't know how to improvise. The BL grew up with this guy and took his side. During the time I was with them we played two dozen gigs that paid money because I stepped up and got stuff done. I also arraigned for sub drummers for the half of those gigs where the drummer couldn't or wouldn't play. After I was gone they never gigged again. Drummer wound up leaving after a year anyways. By that time I was moving on with my life. Oh well.
 
You say these things happen, but don't example how or why. Fortune 500 businesses use email.

More and more, enterprises are moving to integrated colloboration platforms instead of e-mail. It doesn't mean that no one uses e-mail but for actual projects the collab platform allows everyone in the group to share all the tools on the platform, work flow charts, status, calendars prioritization and yes messages to groups or individual just like your text app.

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You say these things happen, but don't example how or why. Fortune 500 businesses use email.

Fortune 500 companies also use other forms of comms (collaboration platforms, SMS, Slack, WhatsApp and so on). All governed by policies, performance agreements, etc. where there's expectations that people communicate effectively whether in person or digitally.

I work in very large organization - way larger than the average Fortune 500 company - and deal with several dozen to a hundred emails of per day - has been the case for going on 25 years. I know email not going away - it's time consuming but not frustrating like band email comms are. Sure, I hate it when someone sends a 10MB attachment to thousands of of people via email thereby crashing the email servers but whatever. So, when I start a new work project, I create the collaboration space and set up a dedicated comms channel to keep the critical stuff off email. It's easy to miss things with the amount of email traffic we all get - signal to noise ratio. I try to maximize the signal. The one good thing about our email solution (Outlook) is the calendar. That's my lifesaver.

So you asked for an example of email nonsense....below is a summary of recent email transactions with my band mates - all of whom are mature IT professionals (programmers, administrators, architects, etc. ). I'm the odd man out, I'm just an R&D scientist. So, hardly tech dullards and are generally good communicators. In a band email context - not so much!

Over the last couple of weeks, this occurred over email between the five of us:
  • Gig alert comes in through one member, only one other band member was notified
  • The originator thought he was emailing everyone but was in fact sending this information in a response to another email chain between himself and one other member (frontman).
  • In the meantime, another convo starts with all of us (about next rehearsal)
  • At some point, someone appends the gig alert message to rehearsal planning message. The two threads are now one.
  • Drummer comments that it seems there's two conversations going on, so he starts another email thread about the gig details - will there be drums supplied; two more of us jump on board that thread.
  • But in one of the previous email (deep down in the now combined emails), the frontman had said he wasn't available for the gig.
  • No one acknowledged that particular fact.
  • Second thread about rehearsal continues with a comment about getting a setlist together for the gig that the frontman is not available for!
  • Then the rehearsal thread is taken over by a discussion about Neil Peart's death. That conversation goes on for a couple of days.
  • All this on top of an email discussion of a recent recording mix I circulated for comment.
Current status: rehearsal date not confirmed and gig participation not confirmed. All this mixed in my email inbox with emails offers from Musicians Friend, my insurance company, my dentists office, my city councillor, my kid's school and on and on and on. And the recording mix needs more cowbell!

Here we are now today and at least one of us is under the impression than the gig is going forward this Friday and we don't have a rehearsal date nailed down. We're likely going to rehearse this week and we won't do the gig since the frontman is not available. I'm loathe to start another email chain sorting all of this out. I'm not the BL so I'll let the dust settle and wait for a rehearsal day confirmation. Of course, it might be days before any one person will respond to what seems like an urgent issue - gig this Friday or not? Oy vey. I'll just spend my time mixing in a little more cowbell on our recent recording. This type of thing happens more often than not, in this particular group.

I've had similar scenarios with my other band (that uses Slack) - since all the comms are in one place it's not much effort to follow a multi-threaded plot and get a direct response to a particular query. Gig alert - all in - Yay or nay? Available next Thursday for rehearsal - Yay or nay? or identify who has not yet responded in order to coordinate. One word response required - all responses in one place. We were gigging multiple times per month. it was not so easy to track using email when we relied on that. We had one member in that band who was an email dullard but otherwise bright guy (music teacher). He missed gigs, showed up early or not at all. Vague comments and/or responses coming days after being sent. We rehearsed at his place so on rehearsal nights we were always anticipating him not being home! So, we switched to Slack and all those problems disappeared.

My experience, YMMV.
 
So Anyway, one gig every three months isn't much of a band... you're lucky to be done with it.

I once got dropped from a band that played 3 or 4 free parties for every paying gig they had. Told me I couldn't play the paid gigs unless I was willing to play the parties.

I wasn't friends with anyone in the band, and their music wasn't that interesting. They couldn't understand why I didn't want to hang with them and their friends at their all-day jam-session parties. After all, there was free food! Not much of a decision for me to make.

I guess I didn't get 'fired' because I was just a hired gun.
 
In the age of many different paths of communication to bury your head in the sand and say my way or the highway is looking to fail.
I've used Slack in the past for our business and it's great but there are other ways also.
It may not have been on the OP to provide the form of communication but the OP seems to not be open to anything newer than 1995.
That's on the OP.
 
Fortune 500 companies also use other forms of comms (collaboration platforms, SMS, Slack, WhatsApp and so on). All governed by policies, performance agreements, etc. where there's expectations that people communicate effectively whether in person or digitally.

The key differences that make collaboration platforms in business is the governance you mentioned. I also feel there is a large difference between collaboration platforms and social media. Large enough that they are really different platforms despite the similar feel. Kind of like moving from a catalyst switch to an ASA. They might look the same at the first glance of the CLI, but that similarity is really only superficial.

As for slack, I joined a slack channel over for my college. I only spent an hour or two in it before I left and never returned, but o can see how a dedicated channel for a single purpose could be useful.
 
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