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Eden Amps

I'm running a WT400 that's been gigged hard since it was built in 1996. Aside from replacing an input jack, I really dig it. Powerful EQ and great warm "vintagey" tone with the Enhance off that can get modern if you need it.

My only complaint is the front-loaded Master Volume control that pretty much maxes the head out with the knob at noon, assuming gain is set optimally.
 
I love mine, I had heard how much some people loved them, so I took a chance and bought one off e-bay, an Eden WT-300, it's an older model, but in great condition, I plugged it up to my Sonic 410 and Avatar 115 cab's and with the EQ set flat, I was in love with it. After owning it about 4 months now, I have tweaked my tone to exactly what I'm looking for, and it is simple to adapt to different rooms when playing different venues.

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It's funny. I had a gig this weekend in a larger club where the only power I had was from a circuit with 7 or so neon bar signs, a couple of cash registers, and maybe some kitchen gear on it. I had 2x1x15 and my SVT was unusable due to the incredible level of conducted power line noise getting into the amp. Yes, it was power line noise - it was there with all signal cables to the amp disconnected, sounded like constant pitch alternator whine. My backup Eden 405 ended up doing the gig, as it was totally clean on the same circuit.

Now I'm looking at either an external filter (NOT the common "power conditioner") or modifying the primary circuit in the SVT. Something like an H filter or a UL/CE-approved differential line choke should do the trick. :D
 
to me eden's flagship is the preamp in the WT series units. The tone is NOT uncolored, but it's a pretty nice color. They tend to sound warm compared to other similar units, but not woolly. they're only loose in the low end compared to some ultra tight sounding units like the demeter preamps. For the most part, without an A/B comparison, it's not something you'd remark upon. the enhance is best used very sparingly, and the eq is very powerful, so tiny adjustments work best.

the cabs are cool, not the best, and not the worst by a long shot. The poweramp sections of the heads are a wee bit underpowered (but most heads are IME). Probably one of the biggest drawbacks to me is the lack of a line out to run a head with a separate poweramp. (yes, the headphone out is supposed to run like this, but it still runs off of the master volume and i'm not 100% convinced it's as quiet as a regular old line out).

A navigator and a 550 are on my wish list - i had a 400 for a long time and had to sell it. The only other complaint I had with the non B series is that they were only stable to 4 ohms. The 2 ohm stable amps aren't really all that louder, but the ability to hook up 4 cabs is awful nice. I've used my pal's 550 into all 4 of my bag end cabs and it sounded great and was LOUD.
 
A WT800 into a fEarful is right up there in diety land for me. I think one issue with the WT series is that it takes a little while to really get the front end down. There is a huge variety in tone there but you have to know how to get it out. If I found one in a back line and hadn't taken the time to really get the head down, I would not be pleased...

Not that it matter but I have yet to hear it in any soild state Ampeg. I've heard in in the B reissue head, the B15 and the old 70's SVT I used to gig with. The SVT 4 did not have 'it' for me. The SVT Classic has something close but I remember the 70's rig sounding way better than a Classic based rig I tried. No way I'd hump an SVT from room to room these days ...
 
I have a 1998 WT-400 that has been gigged with hard for 10 years and has had the last couple years off due to gig change. In all those years I only had to replace the input jack. It doesn't surprise me because there is no mute switch and I used to always pull my bass patchcord out of the amp just a 1/2" to mute the bass between sets.

I thought the tuner out could be used to drive another power amp and it's driven by the preamp stage???
 
I have a 1998 WT-400 that has been gigged with hard for 10 years and has had the last couple years off due to gig change. In all those years I only had to replace the input jack. It doesn't surprise me because there is no mute switch and I used to always pull my bass patchcord out of the amp just a 1/2" to mute the bass between sets.

I thought the tuner out could be used to drive another power amp and it's driven by the preamp stage???

not so - the tuner out is pre everything IIRC. Even the effects send is simply the tube and enhance and is low level (for driving stomp boxes) so it's not suitable to run a power amp nor does it include the tone section.

as an aside, in the event of an input jack failure, you can plug into the effects return. The preamp knob still works IIRC, and the entire tone section (and almost all of the preamplification) happens after the effects loop. In fact, the tone of the amp is almost identical with the tube and the enhance out of the loop! This isn't a drawback, as the preamp is a russ allee design similar to the AMP or thunderfunk, which sounds just great in SS.
 
I've owned many tube rigs including a '69 SVT. I now have a 300 watt all-tube EDEN VT300 and a Sadowsky SA200, both made by Koch. I think if you like the SVT, you would be very happy with an Eden VT300.

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