• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Egotistical guitar players

So this post is mostly for you younger guys and gals that are still worried about your playing confidence...so yesterday was date night for the wife and i ,she had some business to deal with at old navy in our local mall..that was music to my ears as theres a nice music shoo right next door to old navy..Take YOUR TIME BABE,was my reply when she told me this,they actually know me at this shop ive done a lot of business with them so when i go in i sanatize my hands and go play whatever setup i want,i found and Esp surveyor and and ampeg micro svt..a bass and rig ive wanted for a bit now,anyway i noodle around for a bit,my comes over about 20 minutes into me being at tge music shop...by that time im already disappointed that i have the cash yet still cant buy what i want so i go check out clearance stuff find a few fender custom shop stickers,and a few packs of 4 string pacjs, so i snag them a set of dunlop 45 to 105s and a set of roto 66s 45 to 105,i go to check out theres an old guy yelling about how much he lives the shirt.so he says to the casier LET ME TEST IT..then he turns to me and says WHATS THIS SAY? Sorry forgot to mention tge shirt has guitar chords on it 3 of them,ive seen it before but not remembering i reply..IM NIT GOOD WITH LEAD CHORDS AT ALL BRO..ITS A REALLY COOL SHIRT THOUGH...This dude comes off with YOU CALL YOURSELF A MUSICIAN,him and the cashier laughs at me rudely in front of my wife of all people,it really bothered me at first esoecially when she looked at me and saud YOU CANT READ MUSIC..HOW DO YOU LEARN SONGS THEN? TO her i just said ,IM A BASS PLAYER ALL I NEED IS A KICK DRUM ILL HANDLE TGE REST. Meanwhile this old guy and cashier are still laughing at me,i lost sleep over it,now this morning im like F@&$ THAT DUDE AND THE CHEEZY LOOKING CASHIER, i grew up in a music business oriented family my dad ran sound fir some bug name country bands in the 80s,mom handled the financials for my dads personal bands,no i never learned to read never had the interest hell ive never actually wanted to play guitars its been bass since i was old enough to ask why is that one bigger with less string,lol..ALWAYS BASS ,ive been playing for 24 years ,ive had a lot of fun doing it and im VERY competent of a player,i can play anything i hear and im AWESOME at improvising those two guys only heard about 10 minutes of me fiddling with the bass and rig from a cold unprepared mind set so who are they to judge me over a dammed t shirt? The point i want you youngens to get out of my rambling is DONT EVER LET ANYONE DEFINE WHO OR WHAT YOU ARE just because they know something you dont,theres TONS of pro even legendary players..(lead guitar too ) who cant read or name a single chird..you ever heard the guys from Metallica come up with a riff? Hetfield cant name a note let alone a chord..just because that old guy has 20 years more time on me to learn and tge cashier has access to anything he wants musically that dont mean their better people or better players..they dammed sure arent better bass players..your musical journey is YOURS its all about expressing yourself..its the sound that matters not the ability to read a sheet of music ...thanks for reading my rambkes
That's no way to treat a customer. The singer guitarist in my band is the humblest you will find. I've overheard him say he was nothing without the band - and he's one of the best I know.
 
it really bothered me at first esoecially when she looked at me and saud YOU CANT READ MUSIC..HOW DO YOU LEARN SONGS THEN? TO her i just said ,IM A BASS PLAYER ALL I NEED IS A KICK DRUM ILL HANDLE TGE REST.
Learning to read music, studying theory, and understanding how and why things work in music will absolutely make you a better musician. Citing that Hetfield has thrived in spite of being musically illiterate doesn't help your point. Reducing yourself to only needing a kick drum and "ILL HANDLE TGE REST" is insulting and not something to be proud of. I've dropped too many "musicians" like that to be bothered with them anymore.

Yes, it stinks to be belittled by a clerk in front of people you know. Especially when they cite the chords on your own tee shirt which you can't actually read. Still, I can't seem to place all of the blame on said cashier.

My suggestion is to sign up for bass lessons and an intro to music theory class.
 
Um...

Less coffee next time?
Yeah & shift your right hand fingers overa key to the right! It'll make it eaier to read your rambkes!!
Screw uppity Musicians! I played with 2 out spoken "Know it all" Guitar players! 1 studied Music the other was just more experienced than everyone! He became a singer & accquired a bad case of Lead singer diesease! He knew everything! not only music but the Biz & how to perform! it got ridiculous! 1 guy, you cant mention music theory without a lesson! the other was just a stubborn jackass that knew the business! yes it was frustrating! had to ditch both for peace of mind!! The worst was getting put down if you knew something they Didnt!! Worst was they both were really good players! just insufferably "Know it alls!!"
 
You judge a man on paragraph breaks?
No, he judges his writing on lack of paragraph breaks.

The way I see it is this: If someone decides to go to the trouble of conveying information in written form, presumably because they feel it might be of benefit to others, then great, that's a generous thing to do, but said information must be presented in a manner that makes it simple for others to comprehend.

Again, not a judgement of the OP, but on the style of writing used.
 
Last edited:
So this post is mostly for you younger guys and gals that are still worried about your playing confidence...so yesterday was date night for the wife and i ,she had some business to deal with at old navy in our local mall..that was music to my ears as theres a nice music shoo right next door to old navy..Take YOUR TIME BABE,was my reply when she told me this,they actually know me at this shop ive done a lot of business with them so when i go in i sanatize my hands and go play whatever setup i want,i found and Esp surveyor and and ampeg micro svt..a bass and rig ive wanted for a bit now,anyway i noodle around for a bit,my comes over about 20 minutes into me being at tge music shop...by that time im already disappointed that i have the cash yet still cant buy what i want so i go check out clearance stuff find a few fender custom shop stickers,and a few packs of 4 string pacjs, so i snag them a set of dunlop 45 to 105s and a set of roto 66s 45 to 105,i go to check out theres an old guy yelling about how much he lives the shirt.so he says to the casier LET ME TEST IT..then he turns to me and says WHATS THIS SAY? Sorry forgot to mention tge shirt has guitar chords on it 3 of them,ive seen it before but not remembering i reply..IM NIT GOOD WITH LEAD CHORDS AT ALL BRO..ITS A REALLY COOL SHIRT THOUGH...This dude comes off with YOU CALL YOURSELF A MUSICIAN,him and the cashier laughs at me rudely in front of my wife of all people,it really bothered me at first esoecially when she looked at me and saud YOU CANT READ MUSIC..HOW DO YOU LEARN SONGS THEN? TO her i just said ,IM A BASS PLAYER ALL I NEED IS A KICK DRUM ILL HANDLE TGE REST. Meanwhile this old guy and cashier are still laughing at me,i lost sleep over it,now this morning im like F@&$ THAT DUDE AND THE CHEEZY LOOKING CASHIER, i grew up in a music business oriented family my dad ran sound fir some bug name country bands in the 80s,mom handled the financials for my dads personal bands,no i never learned to read never had the interest hell ive never actually wanted to play guitars its been bass since i was old enough to ask why is that one bigger with less string,lol..ALWAYS BASS ,ive been playing for 24 years ,ive had a lot of fun doing it and im VERY competent of a player,i can play anything i hear and im AWESOME at improvising those two guys only heard about 10 minutes of me fiddling with the bass and rig from a cold unprepared mind set so who are they to judge me over a dammed t shirt? The point i want you youngens to get out of my rambling is DONT EVER LET ANYONE DEFINE WHO OR WHAT YOU ARE just because they know something you dont,theres TONS of pro even legendary players..(lead guitar too ) who cant read or name a single chird..you ever heard the guys from Metallica come up with a riff? Hetfield cant name a note let alone a chord..just because that old guy has 20 years more time on me to learn and tge cashier has access to anything he wants musically that dont mean their better people or better players..they dammed sure arent better bass players..your musical journey is YOURS its all about expressing yourself..its the sound that matters not the ability to read a sheet of music ...thanks for reading my rambkes
I play bass. I know every chord. It's pretty much the only thing that's necessary to play bass.

I know one scale. There is only one scale. You flatten a note, and call it something else. Like it's some special peice knowledge that takes years of practice and dedication to learn. It's the same scale.

What chords are in a key, on the other hand, is something that I don't know. But, I know how and where to play what sounds good, and follows just about anyone, in just about any situation.

I play bass.
 
I play bass. I know every chord. It's pretty much the only thing that's necessary to play bass.

I know one scale. There is only one scale. You flatten a note, and call it something else. Like it's some special peice knowledge that takes years of practice and dedication to learn. It's the same scale.

What chords are in a key, on the other hand, is something that I don't know. But, I know how and where to play what sounds good, and follows just about anyone, in just about any situation.

I play bass.
You could play better with some basic understanding of music theory. It’s not acceptable to be ignorant because “I play bass.”
 
I played guitar almost 50 years and never learned to read music, just followed chords on a lyric sheet. I then joined a uke group of about 40 people (never touched my guitars again) and a year later the leader asked if anyone would take up the bass to fill in our sound. I discovered bass ukes and small bass guitars and went for it. Took a few lessons and learned a bit of theory in doing so.

There are arrogant bass players too. My group started playing on the patio of a sandwich shop every other Sunday a few months ago, with the word that anyone is invited. One Sunday a couple of the members came over and said a "professional" bass player friend would like to sit in, that he didn't want to step on anyone's toes, just play along.

But when he arrived, he brought a giant acoustic bass guitar, a large amp and proceeded to overpower me the entire 1 1/2 hours we played, showing off the bass to everyone. It was very obvious that he didn't give a crap about stepping on anyone's toes. A few weeks later he showed up again, to my dismay, and again blasted over me. To verify his inconsideration, I faked playing through most of the set, and when he came over to the leader and I, I said to him, "I'm not a good enough bass player to keep up with you." His reply was, "Oh no, no, I followed you all the way." I'm not a confrontationist and didn't tell him or anyone in the group what I did, just knew that he is arrogant a-hole.

(I try to be very careful with my writing to make it easy for people to read, proof reading a couple of times before posting, and grateful for the edit function.)
 
Last edited:
So this post is mostly for you younger guys and gals that are still worried about your playing confidence...so yesterday was date night for the wife and i ,she had some business to deal with at old navy in our local mall..that was music to my ears as theres a nice music shoo right next door to old navy..Take YOUR TIME BABE,was my reply when she told me this,they actually know me at this shop ive done a lot of business with them so when i go in i sanatize my hands and go play whatever setup i want,i found and Esp surveyor and and ampeg micro svt..a bass and rig ive wanted for a bit now,anyway i noodle around for a bit,my comes over about 20 minutes into me being at tge music shop...by that time im already disappointed that i have the cash yet still cant buy what i want so i go check out clearance stuff find a few fender custom shop stickers,and a few packs of 4 string pacjs, so i snag them a set of dunlop 45 to 105s and a set of roto 66s 45 to 105,i go to check out theres an old guy yelling about how much he lives the shirt.so he says to the casier LET ME TEST IT..then he turns to me and says WHATS THIS SAY? Sorry forgot to mention tge shirt has guitar chords on it 3 of them,ive seen it before but not remembering i reply..IM NIT GOOD WITH LEAD CHORDS AT ALL BRO..ITS A REALLY COOL SHIRT THOUGH...This dude comes off with YOU CALL YOURSELF A MUSICIAN,him and the cashier laughs at me rudely in front of my wife of all people,it really bothered me at first esoecially when she looked at me and saud YOU CANT READ MUSIC..HOW DO YOU LEARN SONGS THEN? TO her i just said ,IM A BASS PLAYER ALL I NEED IS A KICK DRUM ILL HANDLE TGE REST. Meanwhile this old guy and cashier are still laughing at me,i lost sleep over it,now this morning im like F@&$ THAT DUDE AND THE CHEEZY LOOKING CASHIER, i grew up in a music business oriented family my dad ran sound fir some bug name country bands in the 80s,mom handled the financials for my dads personal bands,no i never learned to read never had the interest hell ive never actually wanted to play guitars its been bass since i was old enough to ask why is that one bigger with less string,lol..ALWAYS BASS ,ive been playing for 24 years ,ive had a lot of fun doing it and im VERY competent of a player,i can play anything i hear and im AWESOME at improvising those two guys only heard about 10 minutes of me fiddling with the bass and rig from a cold unprepared mind set so who are they to judge me over a dammed t shirt? The point i want you youngens to get out of my rambling is DONT EVER LET ANYONE DEFINE WHO OR WHAT YOU ARE just because they know something you dont,theres TONS of pro even legendary players..(lead guitar too ) who cant read or name a single chird..you ever heard the guys from Metallica come up with a riff? Hetfield cant name a note let alone a chord..just because that old guy has 20 years more time on me to learn and tge cashier has access to anything he wants musically that dont mean their better people or better players..they dammed sure arent better bass players..your musical journey is YOURS its all about expressing yourself..its the sound that matters not the ability to read a sheet of music ...thanks for reading my rambkes

I got about a third of the way through your story. A dozen typos and no punctuation later I simply couldn't continue. You may be a musician but your not a writer. ;)


Do yourself a favor and read your own post to see if you can follow it.