Here's another one by the same guy. In this one we can clearly see he's using both octave up and octave down.
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EHX Pitch Fork vs EHX Micro Pog
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Well that metallic overtone chirpy chirp thing could be the distraction there. I don't hear it as out of tune but it does sound quite odd.
Sounds better in tune than the guitar guy with both octaves but thought it might have been a little shaky in parts. Also, he didn't play any chords, and that was really what seemed to bring the intonation issues out to the forefront with the guitar guy.
I just did this little shootout over the weekend while I was on a jaunt to Nashville. I thought the Pitchfork sounded way better on the single-octave shifts than the microPOG did, but the pog's chimey sound is cool for effect. The pog's individual adjustability on each octave is nice to have, but I think the Fork's got it beat in every other way to my ears. I especially dug the hell out of the detune setting.
well that guitar video was insane... I currently have the Nano POG, only played it twice and only with drums, but I didn't notice anything. I used to have the Micro POG too, unfortunately I sold it before comparing both.
From what I remember, the Micro was a bit more harsch and aggressive sounding, and the Nano is more smooth and church-organish. But like I said, this is from memory of the Micro.. might not have been that different.
about that video... would it make sense to check the tuning of the Nano by running it into a tuner?
From what I remember, the Micro was a bit more harsch and aggressive sounding, and the Nano is more smooth and church-organish. But like I said, this is from memory of the Micro.. might not have been that different.
about that video... would it make sense to check the tuning of the Nano by running it into a tuner?
I thought I read that the Pitch Fork had a rather big delay, that's why I stayed with the POG family... did you notice that?
I don't remember noticing any delay in signal, but then again I probably would have paid closer attention if I'd thought about that comment. I thought it did a nice 8-string impression, for instance, but the split-second difference between hitting the coursed strings on an 8 might be perfectly mimicked if there's a processing delay, so that might be a bad example!
To me, the Pitch Fork doesn't sound like there's any longer a lag than with the Micro Pog. Could be wrong, but if I am, it's not by enough to matter to me.
I own both the MicroPOG and the Pitchfork; have done many gigs with the former, and one long covers gig with the latter. Both sound a little too fake to me in terms of the upper octave, and I'd love to mod them for a tone control similiar to what was being done in Ed's crazy looper. It's not so bad through my stage rig, as I leave the cab tweeter turned off, but through in-ear monitors it's a wee bit harsh.
I swear I've also noticed a slight delay on the PF while practicing at home - in the live setting, it's pretty much irrelevant. Or maybe that was the free beers counteracting it.
In the covers gig I played with the Pitchfork, I used it mostly to shift my tuning down a semitone or two. When combined with my Hipshot Xtender, for example, taking it down a tone puts me in the right tuning for "No One Knows" by QotSA. Very handy. I did also use the suboctave blend for Daft Punk's "Get Lucky", and the +1 / -1 setting to mimic the organ on "Joker and the Thief" by Wolfmother. I _think_ the MicroPOG does it a little better.
Of course, what this discussion is missing is the fact that the +3 octave setting on the PF lets you play all those Tom Morello RATM riffs in the correct pitch - you can stick THAT in your MicroPOG and smoke it!
I swear I've also noticed a slight delay on the PF while practicing at home - in the live setting, it's pretty much irrelevant. Or maybe that was the free beers counteracting it.
In the covers gig I played with the Pitchfork, I used it mostly to shift my tuning down a semitone or two. When combined with my Hipshot Xtender, for example, taking it down a tone puts me in the right tuning for "No One Knows" by QotSA. Very handy. I did also use the suboctave blend for Daft Punk's "Get Lucky", and the +1 / -1 setting to mimic the organ on "Joker and the Thief" by Wolfmother. I _think_ the MicroPOG does it a little better.
Of course, what this discussion is missing is the fact that the +3 octave setting on the PF lets you play all those Tom Morello RATM riffs in the correct pitch - you can stick THAT in your MicroPOG and smoke it!
Just spent a while with the Pitch Fork, Micro Pog, a guitar, a bass, and some headphones. You'll be happy to know that neither of them have a problem with being out of tune when playing chords and using octave up and down at the same time. But I can't figure out why the Micro Pog comes off as richer sounding to me. By all rights it shouldn't. When you solo each octave, there is noticeable harmonic content from the MP's fundamental, and an electronic thinness and twanginess that the PF doesn't have. The PF's octaves sounded truer to the sound of the actual instruments. But when I add the dry sound back in, the MP is coming off as more lively and rich. Part of that turned out to be volume settings being more versatile in the MP and the old "louder is better sounding" thing, but even when I matched volumes, there was still something about the Micro Pog. I just don't get it.
Its too bad you can't get your hands on a nano POG for a good comparison. EHX seems to be a pretty good company. Not that it isn't impossible, but I would be very surprised if they released the nano POG with some kind of pitch issue. I'd question the videos first (IMO).
I'm in the process of putting a small board together. I'm interested in the nano purely based on its size and separate wet/dry outputs. However, if it doesn't sound good I won't be using it.
I'm in the process of putting a small board together. I'm interested in the nano purely based on its size and separate wet/dry outputs. However, if it doesn't sound good I won't be using it.
Well it didn't look like the dude was pulling any trickery off. And there wouldn't be anything in it for him that I know of to do so. I don't know...I agree EHX is a really good company, but I can't see anything wrong except the pedal needs work.
So in the middle of this incredibly slow period that lasts till mid-July, I had a gig today finally. Put the Micro Pog and Pitch Fork side by side on my board and switched between them. Eh...for all intents and purposes, they did the same thing and came off to me as pretty much the same. They don't sound identical, but they both did what I needed and neither had a clear advantage. So tie goes to the smaller pedal. Pitch Fork stays. That's cool, though...my board has too much red with the Micro Pog, the All Things Equal boost, and all the red LED's on there 
I did a little test of the Nano, run a pitchblack tuner after it. Tuned the open D string. First dry only, then octave down only then octave up only - no issue picking up the pitch. then all of them together, no issue either. If it was out of tune iwth itself, I think the tuner would have freaked out. Also tried open D + D on the G string with all voices and the tuner picked the D up with no problem. Then I played some 2 and 3 strings "chords" and I really couldn't hear what you can hear in that video.
Well that's good to hear. Still haven't been able to try it for my own self. OTOH, I have the Pitch Fork so getting the Nano Pog would be duplication at this point.
I'm in a 2-piece. I split my baritone guitar signal with a Morley tripler, and currently send one sign language to a crossover and an Ampeg rig. I wanted to pitch shift to get a fuller warmer low end.
I used the Pitch Fork but got far to much warble on my guitar's Bstring... will this handle it much better?
I used the Pitch Fork but got far to much warble on my guitar's Bstring... will this handle it much better?
A question that only you can answer for yourself. I thought the Pitch Fork sounded considerably less wobbly than the Micro Pog, but I haven't tried the Nano Pog yet.
I used a Micropog for years & I never once had it track bad or warble. the octave up can def sound artificial if it is not blended right.
I have 2 pitchforks on my board now. One I use to drop tune a 1/2 or full step, the other I use in place of the Micropog for octave up. IMHO the pitchfork is a bit more pronounced than the Micropog when doing the same thing ... or maybe more definition is a better way to put it. It is the same only different
I find the Pitchfork latency near zero at a 1/2 or full step up or down ... a little more noticeable if you go lower but not a deal breaker. Def tracks great.
I have 2 pitchforks on my board now. One I use to drop tune a 1/2 or full step, the other I use in place of the Micropog for octave up. IMHO the pitchfork is a bit more pronounced than the Micropog when doing the same thing ... or maybe more definition is a better way to put it. It is the same only different
I find the Pitchfork latency near zero at a 1/2 or full step up or down ... a little more noticeable if you go lower but not a deal breaker. Def tracks great.
I love my pitch fork...
But its a little diva. Needs a lot of extra attention and whines a lot. It sucks tone, adds digital artifacts even when its off, and it definitely needs its own power supply. Is there a true bypass mod yet? I know someone is doing a mod for bass whammys to make them true bypass and cool the noise down. Or should i just suck it up and get a true bypass looper?
Subquestion: does the pog do this to anyone?
But its a little diva. Needs a lot of extra attention and whines a lot. It sucks tone, adds digital artifacts even when its off, and it definitely needs its own power supply. Is there a true bypass mod yet? I know someone is doing a mod for bass whammys to make them true bypass and cool the noise down. Or should i just suck it up and get a true bypass looper?
Subquestion: does the pog do this to anyone?
