Eminence Kappalite 3015

[poomwah]

I'm second guessing the eminence as my choice... I just reloaded the avatar 210 with eminence speakers, and I'm not at all impressed :[

 

[billfitzmaurice]

I'm second guessing the eminence as my choice... I just reloaded the avatar 210 with eminence speakers, and I'm not at all impressed :[

Most amateurs and for that matter a goodly percentage of pros, including some speaker cab manufacturers, will only go by driver size and power rating when choosing drivers. When that's the only criteria examined chances are about 10:1 against choosing the right one.

On the flipside of the "the other 15 isn't needed" - another 3015LF in the same cab adds another 3db

You'll get another 6dB above 100 Hz, but if you stick a second driver into a box that's really only large enough for one you might even lose output capability in the low end. If you want to get another 6dB broadband you must double the size of the cabinet.

 

[rpsands]

I'm second guessing the eminence as my choice... I just reloaded the avatar 210 with eminence speakers, and I'm not at all impressed :[

The Avatar 210 came with eminence drivers to begin with. Probably the same driver you replaced yours with. I see no reason why those 10s wouldn't be fine in a bass cab -- should be -10db @ 50hz, and flat at 80hz.

Maybe you should start another thread about that one

Regardless, those Delta 10s are super cheap drivers, and there is zero way you would find something as good for 50 bucks.

 

[poomwah]

The Avatar 210 came with eminence drivers to begin with. Probably the same driver you replaced yours with. I see no reason why those 10s wouldn't be fine in a bass cab -- should be -10db @ 50hz, and flat at 80hz.

Maybe you should start another thread about that one

Regardless, those Delta 10s are super cheap drivers, and there is zero way you would find something as good for 50 bucks.

they sound good at low volumes, but they distort way too easily

 

[rpsands]

they sound good at low volumes, but they distort way too easily

Like I said in the other thread I think you're hearing the other original speaker being busted. Try disconnecting that one and see what you get.

I have run 700w solid into a 2x12 with Delta LFAs and it took it and asked for more. The 10s are not that much weaker that a Hartke 3500 is going to distort them with "2" on the volume.

 

[Magman]

I had that problem, possibly you remember my posts.

Loctite on the screws and extra cabinet bracing solved it.

The 3015LF's coupled with a carvin B1500 or other high power are a force to contend with.

I always get admiration/comments/awe when playing out with my rig (215 +118 and the carvin). Deep, punchy, loud articulate. They are run with mids that roll off around 5k.
Even the sound guys seem intrigued!
Has really good coverage and no 'cone of death' syndrome.

I've never played an 810rig but have been close to bands using them...I'd put a 2 x 3015(LF) with a powerful amp up against them easy.

Hulking the 215 up and down stairs is a pain though...(my music stuff is all in the basement)...its light for big cab (same size as an 810) but still.....two seperate cabs would have been better, though more load in trips.

Explaining to sound guys that they need to mic between the mid and woofer complicates things though... I may build a 115 with no tweeter for the bottom cab just to give them something to mic with little fuss. I like having a bottom because it bring the main cab up to ear level. Or integrate my VT bass pedal into the board and alleviate the need for any micing, just give them a correctly voiced DI.

I have the getting it on stage maneuver sorted out though, some tilting and lifting, but not too hard.

Was going to put casters on but I'm pretty sure they will just shake and make noise.

I'm now eyeing up the 3012LF.... less sensitivity than the 3015 or 3015LF but possibly remarkably low box size requirements it seems.

Based on some of the earlier threads on this driver it seems that this driver, for all its plusses, when driven to full power is a beast that needs a very rigid baffle structure. Some of the Carvin thread postings talked about never being able to solve the cabinet buzz problem for example - like the thing was just vibrating the cab apart.

Greenboy (and others) what is your experience in this regard? Is reinforcement of the baffle prudent or is the usual 3/4 inch multi-ply sufficient?

 

[Magman]

I use overdrive and so I do not want extra junk above 5k ..... thus a two way with mids is perfect.....get plenty of cut and definition AND depth.

If your style is piano like and really hi fi then maybe a 3way is warranted but otherwise flatish from 40hz-5khzish with a 2 way is great for bass guitar, unless you want a paticular vintage tone. I think the 5-6khz rolloff could be called 'enhanced vintage'.

As I mentioned in previous email....a single 215 cab is good for load from the SUV into the club, but stairs are a pain.

In retrospect I think I would on balance go for 2 seperate 115 cabs as these ultimately have the most portability in the most situations...and for studio, rehersals and small shows you can just pack one.

As for wether a 2x15 is needed at all compared to a 115....

...if you are under 25 or going through a midlife crisis at age 35-55 then the answer is certainly yes

Otherwise....depends on how loud your drummer is, wether the clubs have good PA's or not.

In tougher situations pummeling a single 15 is asking a lot of it. They do work better in pairs imo.

2-way system: KappaLite 3015 LF + 18 Sound 6ND430 (6 1/2 mid-bass)

3-way system: above + some horn or tweeter/super-tweeter

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So either of the above boxes looks to be superior to a 215 + mid and/or horn, tweeter/super-tweeter. The extra 15 just really isn't needed. Is this generally what this thread gets at?

Of the above 2-way & 3-way, does the 2-way do the job just as well as the 3-way? Is the 3-way un-needed excess for most bass applications?

If the 3-way works better, if the additional horn or tweeter/super-tweeter is going to add a lot to the mix, any good ideas on which horn or tweeter/super-tweeter?

Lastly, if someone decided to do two of these 2-ways or 3-ways, do you think 2 separate cabs is better or put it all into a single cab? If single (I know it wouldn't be light (maybe ~90-95 lbs.?), but it could have built-in casters & recessed top handles), would it be better to build two compartments (each compartment being a 2-Way or 3-Way) in the big box?

Hope I didn't word this in too confusing a way.

 

[iualum]

Been looking at mid-bass speakers for a 15" 2-way.

The 18 Sound 6ND430 (6.5", 63Hz-5.5kHz, 130 watts RMS) looks pretty nice. But so does the Eminence LA8-CNMB (8", 82Hz-5kHz, 225 watts RMS).

The Eminence is slightly less money, handles 95 additional watts RMS, & moves slightly more air. But the Eminence crossover is higher @82Hz rather than 63Hz.

I'm leaning to the Eminence. Does this look like a reasonable choice? Is the higher crossover a prob?

 

[alexclaber]

Been looking at mid-bass speakers for a 15" 2-way.

The 18 Sound 6ND430 (6.5", 63Hz-5.5kHz, 130 watts RMS) looks pretty nice. But so does the Eminence LA8-CNMB (8", 82Hz-5kHz, 225 watts RMS).

The Eminence is slightly less money, handles 95 additional watts RMS, & moves slightly more air. But the Eminence crossover is higher @82Hz rather than 63Hz.

The 6ND430 is a midwoofer, not a midrange. Look at the 6ND410 instead. When comparing midrange speakers the most important thing is the measured plot on the datasheet - you want the highest flattest line. A 3dB advantage is worth a doubling of power handling. The less smooth and flat the line the harder it is to make a crossover work well.

Alex

 

[Johnny Mack]

Been looking at mid-bass speakers for a 15" 2-way.

The 18 Sound 6ND430 (6.5", 63Hz-5.5kHz, 130 watts RMS) looks pretty nice. But so does the Eminence LA8-CNMB (8", 82Hz-5kHz, 225 watts RMS).

The Eminence is slightly less money, handles 95 additional watts RMS, & moves slightly more air. But the Eminence crossover is higher @82Hz rather than 63Hz.

I'm leaning to the Eminence. Does this look like a reasonable choice? Is the higher crossover a prob?

and also, you wont be crossing over at 63 or 82 hz, more like 500hz.

 

[billfitzmaurice]

Explaining to sound guys that they need to mic between the mid and woofer complicates things though....

Mic the cab at the mid, since the radiation from the woofer is omnidirectional there's no need to have the mic near it. With mic and DI use the mic on the mid to capture its tone, rolling off the bass EQ on that channel, roll off the mids and highs on the DI channel.

 

[knw]

I'm want to put a pair of these in my Sunn 215b cab

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The cab's internal Volume including port

38" high
12" deep
22" wide

38 x 12 x 22 = 10032 volume.


The port size is:

38” high
10” deep
6” wide

38 x 10 x 6 = 2280/2 (since it’s a triangle shaped port) = 1140 volume.


So the cab’s internal volume - the port volume = 8892 volume

I'm only gonna be pushing around 200 - 325 watts to the cab.

Or should I consider another speaker. I just want it to be crushing. How much low end do you lose from 3015 to 3015LF when actually played side by side.

I'm not sure if I should sacrifice mids for more low end.

I'm also waiting on a call from eminence they were supposed to call me on Friday!!

 

[Chef]

Back when I had a Mesa 400, I wanted two Mesa Diesel 115's to go with it. Those old EV loaded cabs-while they didn't go Mega-Low-had great depth, and nice midrange punch, and plenty of top end for That Old School Tone.
So, I bought 'em, used. One arrived with a blown EV driver, the other with a crummy behringer driver.

After talking with several smart guys here, I re-loaded them with 3015's. Apparently, they're a nice match for that diesel 115 box.

Powered with the Mesa Walkabout (400 left some time ago: too gritty, too heavy) one of the 115's is plenty for most jobs, and two of them combined makes for this great creamy old school RAWK TONE that seems like every note is synched wih the kick drum. Big Loud. Big Tone.

 

[kraigo]

I like those cabs, Chef. I'm happy I've got my NeoX 212T. I bet those are some heavy beasts, even one at a time with a Neo driver in each. Your cabs are cool (perhaps cooler?), but mine moves easily while still being able to scare small animals.

I would definitely have the urge to pull out the Visa card if I saw your cabs in a shop.

KO

 

[Chef]

As you noted, the Mesa Diesel are heavy, overbuilt cabs.
I seldom use them, for that reason; but when I do, they Bring It!

 

[billfitzmaurice]

I'm only gonna be pushing around 200 - 325 watts to the cab.

If that's all you have for power there's no reason to use the 3015LF, nor two 3015 for that matter. One 3015 will take 350 watts without exceeding excursion limits. Cover the upper hole, use it for a sealed back 6 or 8.

 

[knw]

If that's all you have for power there's no reason to use the 3015LF, nor two 3015 for that matter. One 3015 will take 350 watts without exceeding excursion limits. Cover the upper hole, use it for a sealed back 6 or 8.

Can't do that...I need it to be 4 ohms to get that much power out of my heads...I have 5 different bass heads...plus my head are vintage...and they sound louder then anything modern I'v heard that was rated at 800 watts...plus 2 3015 would sound way more crashing then just one...I also like the tone that I get when playing at 10...so I don't wanna worry about killing my speakers haha .

 

[knw]

was wondering would I need to push 600 watt + into this rig so the speakers sound good...or would my 200 - 300 watt head sound the same as it did on my other 300 watt 15"s?

 

[Chef]

My picture several posts up...showing the Mesa Walkabout head and 2x115 cabs?

That RAWKS, and that head is 300 watts.

 

[billfitzmaurice]

was wondering would I need to push 600 watt + into this rig so the speakers sound good...?

Why? The drivers don't care.