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Double Bass Ergo megathread part II

i was just curious how the lower strings sound on an ergo 28 scale and am encouraged hearing about the Bb! : )
do you have any recordings of the instrument?

The big Soundcloud clip in my signature is such a recording. The bass is from my Ergo cello. I don't often go down onto the low Bb string, but use the F string quite a bit.

Indeed, there are compromises. The strings are quite slack, and the output can be quite hot for some preamps without good headroom. The low strings do not respond quickly to fast plucked passages due to their slackness. However, all notes down to Bb sound good. You'll note that the notes are heavy on the fundamental, unlike many bass guitars which are strong on the first harmonic at the octave.

The bass line below was recorded straight out of the cello into a Behringer ADI21, into Reaper, then compressed slightly with Kjaerhus Classic Compressor plugin.

It's just a scratch track for some music I'm going to record this fall with real musicians, in more complex form. Organs are programmed, the drums are Rayzoon Jamstix, an algorithmic drummer which can improvise slightly upon base rhythms. The horns are Garritan Jazz and Big Band samples, I didn't bother applying expressive MIDI parameters because it's just for scratch purposes.

The lead tracks are a second set of pickups i put into the Ergo cello, with the two pickups under the feet out of phase. The ones used for bass are a pair under the feet in phase. Picture a sandwich of two pickup elements under each foot, with neoprene washer between them, and you'll get an idea what I'm using. However, the stock Ergo pickups are comparable to the pair I'm using in my arrangement; I'm using Jesse's pickup elements.

I find a GHS short brite flat bass string, the E (.105) tunes up well to F, and might work as an E, even though the scale is much shorter. You can allow more slack in the string when you're not dealing with frets, though the bridge height might need to change. I also had a .105 gauge F string custom made by Octave4plus in 28" scale, it's also .105 gauge but is more flexible and pliant.
 
I just got my Ergo 5-string from Jesse this week. I have the Stagg GEC-EDB case, and the neck of the Ergo fits just fine in the neck cutout of the case.

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I thought at first I would not be able to fit the stand into the case. After shortening the base of the stand by 3.25", the case is just long enough. The stand does have to be folded just right in order not to crush the bridge into the case lid. I still want to add a padded block, with two cut-outs to "float" the body of the bass separately from the stand support, to minimize the stress on the joint where the stand joins the bass. Having the stand base in the case also makes the handle balance a lot closer to even than with just the upper part of the stand in the case - and I don't have to carry the base separately.
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Speaking with just a couple days' experience, I think I'm gonna be fairly happy with the case. It's not a "hard shell" case, and I certainly wouldn't want to ship or check the bass in it, but it's decent protection from bangs and bumps.
 

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I remove the stand and carry it separately, which is honestly less than ideal, as I've forgotten it for at least one gig. All hail a wife who will drive back across the bay to get a cymbal stand so her husband doesn't look like a doof auditioning for a new band.

Anyway.

I'm planning to replace the stand before too long with something much heavier, and that darn sure ain't gonna fit in the case nohow noway. :)

A buddy of mine with a 6-string Ergo uses a semi-rigid longbow case for his and it very happy with it.
 
I would love to have a case capable of holding two of my cellos, in relatively compact manner, without being too huge to want to bring out and about.

Thinking about how to have one made.

Soft or somehow semi-rigid would be sufficient, IF (a) the two instruments are stored in their own separately padded compartments; (b) the stands and bows are stored in a separate compartment different from the instruments; (c) there is another compartment for cords and small accessories.
 
I would be interested in peoples experiences with using either of these cases or others with an Ergo. Also, do you need to remove the stand bass from the Ergo to put it in the case, or are you able to leave it on and just fold it up?

I dropped by this thread because I'm sitting in Austin this week on a fly-in gig where my Ergo is the only instrument I brought. It's a combination vocal music accompaniment/jazz combo gig.

I had complex travel this week, so I actually shipped the Ergo down ahead of me.

I use a longbow soft case to hold the instrument and a bow, if I need one. If I am playing locally and just tossing the thing into the back seat, I can fit the stand in the longbow case with the bass (but not the bow too). But if I am checking it, or shipping it in this instance, I place the longbow case, with Ergo and bow in it, into a SporTube ski case, which is a hard PVC checkable ski case. The stand fits inside the SporTube next to the longbow case, plus a couple cables I jam in there too.

When I got down here earlier today, the bass had arrived and was still in tune. Nice. Rehearsal earlier tonight, more rehearsal and the gig tomorrow night, then I fly home on Saturday and will check the bass on the plane with me.

The glamor life.
 
On a more personal note:

I have emailed Jessie off and on since I first placed my order. During the build/after the sale and months later I have to say his customer service blows my mind!!
I have never had such easy access to the answers to my questions. Talkbass excluded of course.

The reason this comes up now is that I was trying to locate a part for of all things my refrigerator and kept getting bounced around. I had also emailed Jessie with a question last night. Guess which problem was solved first?


edit: After reading this I should say I am/was/or ever will be compensated in any way by Jessie or Ergo. He is just a really great guy with an awesome product, and I want to reiterate again. Most of you guys already know this but it still excites me to be able to talk to THE guy that built the bass I love so much.
 
"Me, too!" - I had a problem with one of the tuners on my 4-string, not at all Jesse's fault, but he put a replacement in the mail, pronto! I've been back to gigging with it, and I'm still just as pleased as can be. "Like," thumbs up, bonus points, and one big Attaboy to Jesse!

For a case, I bought a snowboard bag - someone here recommended it, I can't remember who (I'd look, but I'm lazy). www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001022IIE/
I've "lined" it with an old moving-company blanket - the bass goes inside the blanket, and the stand goes between the blanket and the case. It's not perfect, but it's cheap and effective, two words which are near and dear to my heart.

WJGreer: You played your Ergo at a gig in Austin? Cool! If I'd known, I might've come to see/hear you... Unless... Hey, was that you playing with Paul McCartney at the Erwin Center?! :D
 
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Does anyone have any experience modding the Ergo with an end pin and belly bar?

I would like for it to play as close to my acoustic upright as possible. I am concerned that the tripod stand will be too stationary and restrictive.
 
Contact jessie. One never knows what the Ergo guru will come up with.

Jesse's response was that he thought the advantage of the tripod outweighed the conventional endpin since it works like a stand, it can be balanced on one or two legs while playing and will feel the same as an endpin. As for what he called the "kick stand" (belly rest) his aim is to keep things simple but that it it can be easily added by the player. He did not suggest how this might be done or comment on how well he thought this mod works. I will follow up on that when I order the bass, but would like to hear from anyone who done it.
 
It's not been so busy in here lately--wondering what's up in the land of Ergo.

I had Jesse build me a second 7-string cello near the beginning of this year, and I'm just _now_ getting around to having it completed--my custom string set requires some simple drilling out of the string holes and a bass tuner for the lowest string. Identical mods to those done on the first 7-string cello.

Already ordered 2 sets of custom F and Bb strings and 2 sets of regular cello strings, the top string is a 13 gauge plain steel guitar string.

Should be good to go in a week or two. I plan to be just as satisfied with this one as the first one, except that I won't have months of experimenting to do to figure things out. Dimensions turned out exactly the same as the original.
 
Actually finished with the second E-cello much sooner than expected. Seeing double:

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The two instruments fit nicely in a 61-key keyboard case, with shoulder mounts and accessories:

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Using some Kohl's "luxury bath towels" to protect them from each other and from the shoulder mounts and bows. Want to research better dual-instrument case options but this will do for now.
 

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