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I have my cable. Fedex actually tried to deliver on friday but there was no one home. I took it out of the box and it's certainly well-put together. Whatever else, you can't fault ESP on expediently getting their products to people and on construction.

I've connected it to my MB200 with my MP3 player on shuffle to get the suggested 4-8 hours of break in time before I start evaluating it. I don't buy into cable break-in, personally, but I figure I should follow the manufacturer's instructions in the interest of a fair evaluation.
 
#822
Roy Vogt said:
If there's one in the Nashville area, PM me on here and we'll work something out. I am already planning on taking the ESP to the top two amplifier techs in the area and a recording/mastering engineer who has won a Grammy for his work with Chaka Khan and also worked with Steve Vai and Larry Carlton. We'll figure out some ways to test this thing....
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Excellent. I'm quite interested to see what impressions you get from these guys.

I'm going to bring mine over to my old boss (high end home audio manufacturer) to evaluate on his system. I'll do some listening over there too as I had a lot to do with designing the system and I have countless listening hours on it. He's totally convinced about the efficacy of power cables so it will be interesting to get his perspective. We've had plenty of interesting conversations on power cables over the years as you might expect. :D
 
#823
JAUQO III-X said:
No Alexander you are not on my ignore list. I would like to do a test but exactly how should I go about it for the best test results, so that every one is satisfied with what ever the end results may be?
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Honestly, Jauqo, I'd be happy with just a blind test like I did where a friend switches the cables for you 10 or more times at random without you being able to see or hear what they're doing, and you guess which cable is which. There are better ways of doing it that are more scientific, but I think a blind test is enough to satisfy curiosity at least. Certainly satisfied mine.
 
#824
Paullee01 said:
Your probably right about the debate. On a personal note as I said earlier if you and Roy determine this cord does make a significant difference I will purchase one. (even though it is hard to part with $150.00 for a power cord) I will call ESP to see exactly what the return policy is before I do anything.
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Man, you really want to believe, don't you? ;)
 
#825
JimmyM said:
Man, you really want to believe, don't you? ;)
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#826
Mark Reccord said:
I have my cable. Fedex actually tried to deliver on friday but there was no one home. I took it out of the box and it's certainly well-put together. Whatever else, you can't fault ESP on expediently getting their products to people and on construction.

I've connected it to my MB200 with my MP3 player on shuffle to get the suggested 4-8 hours of break in time before I start evaluating it. I don't buy into cable break-in, personally, but I figure I should follow the manufacturer's instructions in the interest of a fair evaluation.
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Just curious if in their documentation they explain why you need to break-in their ESP cable? And what you should expect if your cable is not broken in?
 
#829
Alexander Eddy said:
I'm posting from another hemisphere, so excuse me if I am off the mark.

I have read the entire thread, and was involved in a similar debate not so long ago with one of the members posting in ESP's defense.

I wish not to be involved in this debate, but surely with the size of TB and the large cities you guys have, there must be an engineer out there who can do and ABY test live?? Forget posting samples, let these people put their money where their mouth is (this is not directed at Roy) and do the test. If they are so sure of their hearing, then they have nothing to lose, right?

To Jauqo - I may very well be on your ignore list so you may not see this, but if there is an engineer in your city who is willing to do a proper test on the cord, would you be willing to participate? Heck, even throw in some of this 17hz business we were arguing about.
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Why is it that some electrical engineer needs to prove that they don't work? Why doesn't ESP prove they do work and save us all the trouble?

Science can't prove something doesn't exist. Science can't prove ghost don't exist. And science nor any psychic, nor TV show, nor celebrity endorsement can prove they do exist. I can make up something entirely in my mind and then tell you to prove it doesn't exist. Look up Carl Sagan and his invisible dragon.

Let's say that these cables do affect the gear under test that someone can hear a difference. Is it better or worst? That's subjective. Measurements would tell if the gear under test is reproducing the signal better or worst.

I heard something recently. Lets say you go to a Magic show. Do you believe the magician is magic? You can't figure out the trick yet you must know it's not really magic. You can study and practise magic tricks. Are you magic? After you studied and practiced magic tricks and then go see a magician what's your perspective? Engineers don't need to go to magic shows and spend time proving magic tricks are tricks. Every honorable magician will admit they're tricks.

These ESP cords aren't magic. Enough that any engineer doesn't need waste their time proving they are or aren't. ESP needs to prove they are.
 
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Not often I agree with seamonkey, but he is absolutely right that it's not on the engineers to prove it doesn't work (which they already have by citing laws of electricical conductivity). It is 100% on ESP to prove that it does work in the face of so much incontrovertible evidence that it doesn't. And ESP hasn't done ---- in that regard. Testimony from Victor Wooten and video of Michael Rhodes changing his playing style with the ESP cord plugged in? Not good enough.
 
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JimmyM said:
What a load of crap. Break-in...LOL!
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There's enough BS contained here to fertilize every cornfield in Iowa. Twice.
Cable break-in process

Very telling: You will like these cables if you break them in at least 150-200 hours. The return period is 60 days. Do the math, folks.

And if break-in hocus-pokus isn't bad enough they raise the bar with directional cables. And still seemingly intelligent people fall for this stuff. :rollno:
 
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Mark Reccord said:
Hell, they even have directional fuses.

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Yeah, seen them too. Another example that if there's someone out there silly enough to buy junk like this there's going to be someone unscrupulous enough to sell it to them.

BTW, for those interested there is one technology that actually does work: Balanced AC. The main cause of system noise is 2 wire AC power, which contaminates the signal with current noise by their sharing the same ground path. Balanced mics and interconnects help to minimize this problem; balanced AC takes it a step further. The downside is that it's a permanent installation hooked up to the incoming 220v line at the service entrance. This is what's used in better recording studios.
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#834
Mark Reccord said:
I have my cable. Fedex actually tried to deliver on friday but there was no one home. I took it out of the box and it's certainly well-put together. Whatever else, you can't fault ESP on expediently getting their products to people and on construction.
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Mark I would like to get your very first impression when you plug this cord in and AB it to the standard cord.
 
#836
JimmyM said:
Man, you really want to believe, don't you? ;)
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If I really believed it worked I would have purchased one. Have to admit Jimmy this has been one hot topic. I think Mark is the only one that actually went out on a limb and bought the cord. Should be interesting on what Mark, Roy and Bongomania conclude. I just dumped $$ on some Vovox speaker cable (amp to cab) that is pretty much the final upgrade for my rig. :D
 
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billfitzmaurice said:
Yeah, seen them too. Another example that if there's someone out there silly enough to buy junk like this there's going to be someone unscrupulous enough to sell it to them.

BTW, for those interested there is one technology that actually does work: Balanced AC. The main cause of system noise is 2 wire AC power, which contaminates the signal with current noise by their sharing the same ground path. Balanced mics and interconnects help to minimize this problem; balanced AC takes it a step further. The downside is that it's a permanent installation hooked up to the incoming 220v line at the service entrance. This is what's used in better recording studios.
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Now this link has some real data to back up its claims. It clearly illustrates currently used technology, offers a legitimate alternative to said technology, and backs up the claims about the alternative technology with a diagrams that any electrician or engineer should be able to follow and test for themselves. Where is ESP's version of this? Show me the equivilent of equitech's ladder diagrams showing the response or activity of a standard cable (and its limitations) and then show those of the ESP (and how it overcomes the limitations of the standard cable). It shouldn't be a difficult thing for ESP to do--if there is any proof to their claims
 
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packhowitzer said:
Now this link has some real data to back up its claims....It shouldn't be a difficult thing for ESP to do--if there is any proof to their claims
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If a product has proof that it works the manufacturer isn't going to hide it. If proof is not forthcoming it's only because there is none.
 
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billfitzmaurice said:
There's enough BS contained here to fertilize every cornfield in Iowa. Twice.
Cable break-in process
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Bill, I've never heard of that company before, but the BS on that site is just amazing! I mean, this is really, really great stuff!

"The first 50 hours:
When you first hook up your cables, you will hear about 70% of the sonic potential the cables have to offer. The highs might tend to be a little peaky and/or harsh, bass may lack and the midrange "sterile". This will soon go away and the frequencies will even out as the break in process advances."

"Between 50 and 100 hours you will experience the "difficult stage" of the break-in process. The sonic potential of the cable drops to 50%. It may be difficult to listen during this time. This is when some of our customers make a pre-mature return, missing out on the full sonic glory of the product"

After full break-in:
As you reach the end of the break-in process, (280 hours) the frequency extremes fill and smooth out, the midrange bloom returns and the cable takes on a very natural sound presentation.

"How to effectively break-in your cables:
Playing the following at normal listening levels will break in your cables:
An FM tuner, tuned to inter-station "hiss". This "hiss" is white noise, covering the full spectrum of frequencies, breaking in your cables..."

For those of you unwilling to spend 280 hours listening to white noise don't worry. The company also offers a break-in service for an additional $40 LMAO
 
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