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#141
seamonkey said:
Here's my prediction on a non-moderated double blind test.

Oh they'll sound the same but there will be special pleading about "Feel" or some other totally made up grap term than would be claim can not be recorded or measured.

It's happening before with Tube versus Solid-State, or Tube versus VT, or other modelers,emulators,simulators. Statistically there was not clear cut identification of the amps, or what sounded better. In jumped a special pleading term "feel". Oh sure they sound and perform the same but the 'feel" is different. BS. And there's no possible way to measure "feel". Mainly because it doesn't exist.

No matter what the blind test results are there will be special pleading about some aspect of the results.

Audio forums have already done the tests. There's no difference. There is not going to be any revelation here.
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Here it is. How's an audio amp going to demonstrate feel with a recorded source? I know when I've played outside concerts in 90% humidity 15 ft from a lake and my rig feels less snappish. I know if an amp responds quickly or slowly. Shall I say delivers transients with less delay than another rig. Ask a tennis player if his balls are dead.:) They respond differently:) OK let's take a moment. Even if an engineer hasn't devised a measuring domain or device for feel doesn't mean it's nonexistent.
It's the same argument over and over. Really, do some of you actually play instruments?
Are you a hobbiest who collects and plays gear at home?
Are you a pro?
How long have you been playing?
I ask all this not for answers here but that you will self edit whether you are qualified to speak with authority on these subjects.

There was a poster on TB who could afford some hi end bass gear. He kept saying it really cut in the mix. Turns out he only uses this gear in his basement with his middle school daughter on trumpet and slightly older son on drums. Is his experience with cutting in the mix the same as he who has played 30+ years of roadside bar gigs, large concert series etc. with a B3 player and full horn section?
 
#145
chadds said:
Here it is. How's an audio amp going to demonstrate feel with a recorded source? I know when I've played outside concerts in 90% humidity 15 ft from a lake and my rig feels less snappish. I know if an amp responds quickly or slowly. Shall I say delivers transients with less delay than another rig. Ask a tennis player if his balls are dead.:) They respond differently:) OK let's take a moment. Even if an engineer hasn't devised a measuring domain or device for feel doesn't mean it's nonexistent.
It's the same argument over and over. Really, do some of you actually play instruments?
Are you a hobbiest who collects and plays gear at home?
Are you a pro?
How long have you been playing?
I ask all this not for answers here but that you will self edit whether you are qualified to speak with authority on these subjects.

There was a poster on TB who could afford some hi end bass gear. He kept saying it really cut in the mix. Turns out he only uses this gear in his basement with his middle school daughter on trumpet and slightly older son on drums. Is his experience with cutting in the mix the same as he who has played 30+ years of roadside bar gigs, large concert series etc. with a B3 player and full horn section?
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Speaking of playing, last night I was playing your old IP-777 and it sounded phenomenal.I didn't have a fancy power cord of course, but in a 90 degree room with the band, and my bass set in parallel (normally I run series), I had the T. Balance set a bit closer to noon than usual and it was stunning. There were some of those moments of distraction, and while I've never been into tube polemics, they only seem to happen when I have some in my signal chain.
 
#146
Eh. I've been known to drop hundreds of dollars on bridges, custom pickguards, knobs, and pickup covers. I've been known to drop hundreds of dollars on fancy leather straps, to keep selections of many different types of picks on-hand, to blow serious cash on heavy-duty instrument stands.

I've been known to spend big money on ligatures, polishing cloths, and stools to sit on while I play.

Some people think these things make a difference to the sound; some don't. (I don't.) But they increase my enjoyment of the music all the same.

So OP - feel free to drop as much darn money as you want on a boutique AC cord; I think it's patently ridiculous and won't believe it until I hear it; but then again, you probably think dropping $75 on a hunk of pleather and a brass screw (ligature) is pretty dumb too.
 
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chadds said:
Here it is. How's an audio amp going to demonstrate feel with a recorded source? I know when I've played outside concerts in 90% humidity 15 ft from a lake and my rig feels less snappish. I know if an amp responds quickly or slowly. Shall I say delivers transients with less delay than another rig.
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can you attribute that solely to the amp though? it seems with humidity, that's more of an air pressure/other environmental factors that is affecting how the sound travels through the air. I think the cab is affected as well, as well as the bass and the player itself. I can't see how you can only attribute that to the amp only, or tying it into the topic, the power cord. Especially when there is a bottleneck as repeatedly stated, which is the wiring that the cord is plugged into.

But as the guy from monster said previously in this topic, as long as people are willing to spend 500 bucks on a cable, they will keep making them :)
 
#148
seamonkey said:
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Oh they'll sound the same but there will be special pleading about "Feel" or some other totally made up grap term than would be claim can not be recorded or measured.

It's happening before with Tube versus Solid-State, or Tube versus VT, or other modelers,emulators,simulators. Statistically there was not clear cut identification of the amps, or what sounded better. In jumped a special pleading term "feel". Oh sure they sound and perform the same but the 'feel" is different. BS. And there's no possible way to measure "feel". Mainly because it doesn't exist.

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JimmyM said:
HAHAHA!! The voice of experience strikes again. Hey man, cables ain't tube amps. Until you've played one, you've got no clue.
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Oh, Seamonkey,... Call it bs, whatever you want. Bottom line? You're an anonymous internet forum poster who hasn't demonstrated any experience with the equipment you rally against. Until you've actually gained appreciable experience with tube amps (and probably playing out period) your opinion is frankly just that: anonymous internet poster. Issues related to amplifier 'feel' and 'response' actually could be measured to some degree. Just because you haven't read about it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Back on topic:
AC mains filtering on the other hand? I bet ESP could measure that! The problem is they seem to be ignoring that every commercial guitar and bass amp already has power filtering built in.
 
#149
superbassman2000 said:
can you attribute that solely to the amp though? it seems with humidity, that's more of an air pressure/other environmental factors that is affecting how the sound travels through the air. I think the cab is affected as well, as well as the bass and the player itself. I can't see how you can only attribute that to the amp only, or tying it into the topic, the power cord. Especially when there is a bottleneck as repeatedly stated, which is the wiring that the cord is plugged into.

But as the guy from monster said previously in this topic, as long as people are willing to spend 500 bucks on a cable, they will keep making them :)
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Right and all that is measurable and amounts to "feel".

Don't misunderstand I'm not defending any AC cabling claims!

Show me the facts I'll remain open to why I hear what I hear. I've had Platinum winning sound engineers, Johns Hopkins Engineers and hi end Studio gear manufacturers say, " don't ever let an engineer tell you what you hear":)

I choose a bass for feel and I choose a pre, all tube or SS for feel when I'm loading out. I'm going to have to stay the disillusioned one who has hotteys dancing with me so close that they mute my strings.
That or you in a lab coat? Hmmm, so hard to choose.:)
 
#151
JimmyM said:
Alright, so any ideas how I accomplish that? Just wrap the cords in thick brown paper? Also, I'm assuming the real test is to do a switch several times and see how reliable I am at picking out the ESP? How many times would be considered enough for my opinion to be reliable?

Hey, iffen I'm gonna do this, I want to do it right!
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Two audio files, level matched.

Then use this:

PC ABX Home Page
 
#152
seamonkey said:
Here's my prediction on a non-moderated double blind test.

Oh they'll sound the same but there will be special pleading about "Feel" or some other totally made up grap term than would be claim can not be recorded or measured.

It's happening before with Tube versus Solid-State, or Tube versus VT, or other modelers,emulators,simulators. Statistically there was not clear cut identification of the amps, or what sounded better. In jumped a special pleading term "feel". Oh sure they sound and perform the same but the 'feel" is different. BS. And there's no possible way to measure "feel". Mainly because it doesn't exist.

No matter what the blind test results are there will be special pleading about some aspect of the results.

Audio forums have already done the tests. There's no difference. There is not going to be any revelation here.
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I'm not taking a stance on the validity of the company's claims here, but I look at it this way. You have a player that bought what is obviously a very high quality, well made cord that comes with a lifetime warranty. That player likes the way his amp sounds with his new cord and he is obviously happy with his new purchase and feels the price was reasonable for what he got. At that point, does it really matter if he can't offer proof to you that the cord does indeed do something special?

I'm sure there are plenty of folks out there that would debate you that your Sadowsky or Nordy doesn't do anything that their Fender won't do at three, or four times the cost. Sometimes vanilla is just better than chocolate, because the person eating it thinks that it is.
 
#153
billfitzmaurice said:
And if you too were a trained engineer and AES member you'd know it and never give a second thought to wasting your money on it. But you're not, so you ask someone who is, like me, or Bob Lee or Mark Reccord. We've got nothing to gain by lying to you about this cable nonsense, whereas ESP and the like have nothing to gain by telling you the truth. Believe who you will.
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That.

I spent a lot of money getting an electrical engineering degree so I wouldn't get fooled into spending a lot of money on IEC power chords... or green markers for CDs... or Mpingo disks... or Shakti stones... or...
 
#154
aborgman said:
That.

I spent a lot of money getting an electrical engineering degree so I wouldn't get fooled into spending a lot of money on IEC power chords... or green markers for CDs... or Mpingo disks... or Shakti stones... or...
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You can bag on expensive power cables all you want but don't disparage the awesome effect shakti stones have on your sound!
 
#156
Last year guitarist Chris Poland(of Ohm and formerly Megadeath) was about to do a show. And a ESP power cord was hooked up to his amp. The first thing he noticed was that his sound was a little different(in a positive way). He asked not about the power cord(because he didn't even know about the company) but why was his sound sounding better. He was told that his amp had a ESP power cord plugged into it.



I am not inside Chris Poland's brain but he felt a reason to purchase a ESP power chord on the spot.



If any one wants to know what he thinks of it just contact him and ask him.


He paid for the cord on the spot and had never heard of the company. And the owner of the owner of ESP power cord had no clue who Chris Poland is.
 
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