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Double Bass Evah Pirazzi strings megathread part I

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Maybe you've mentioned it already, Ken, but for the record, what kind of pickup are you using?

My Pickup is a Shadow dual Piezo similar to the Underwood. It is easy for me to fit it to any Bass I have and have only one pickup, moving it from Bass to Bass as I need and installing it at the Gig as in the Orchestra it acts a bit like a Mute.
 
Hi Martin.
Well, if the weak point in your string setup is the G, why change the others?
The Obligato G had more output on my EUB than the Evah.

Francois mon ami:

I am still having a tough time finding a G string that works well with the Soloflex/Mittel combination. One that is not ringy and nasal sounding. I have been using the Eudoxa all summer but its starting to buzz. The EP G is great...until I plug in.
So...its worth the gamble spending the same amount as the Eudoxa to get the EP D and A. The three EP strings should be easy enough to control on the PA. Its sort of a "if you can't beat them, join them" deal. Obligato's don't help at all anymore.
We'll see. Its tough being a slave to strings.....especially when I thought I had it all under control:bawl:
I'll let you know how it works out.
Uncletoad is my hero. His version of Pilgrim's Progress has inspired me to new heights in the quest for the perfect string mix.:hyper:
 
i fail to see, though, why folks would want to change their unamplified setup to achieve a better amplified sound. shouldn't you want to start with the best acoustic sound you can achieve and then work to amplify that? even with a slab, you want an instrument that sounds fabulous unamplified.


jeff.


It is not as if anyone said, "Evahs don't work, let's go to the strings that suck." The Spiro/Dom combination I went back to after ditching the Evahs sounds killer acoustically. I liked the Evahs acoustically. I loved playing quarter notes with them. I had a hard time soloing with them and I didn't like them amplified particularly when playing loud. I like playing quarter notes less with Spiros but I love soloing on them and, for that matter, just about everything else. They amplify really well at all volume levels and, since I play 99% of my gigs amplified, that is kind of important.

The goal is to find the combination of stuff that lets you get closest to the sound you hear in your head. The Evahs, as fun as they were acoustically, just weren't part of that combo for me in the overall picture. Spiros/Doms seem to be.

mark
 
And now with Spiro's, I'm so happy I can't stop playing.

I jumped on the bandwagon, but Evah Pirazzi G and D were a failed experiment for me, on the pizz and arco dimension. I had them on a dark Czech hybrid, thick top. Evah's sounded dead and yet there was an odd buzz when bowing. I let them settle and kept trying, but after 3 days they came off. This is not about amplified sound at all, on my bass I think the Spiros sound better bowed and way better plucked. And I'm talking about G and D. I think my future choices are between Spiro and Corelli.
 
This latest barage of posts is more proof that every bass is different, and while all this info is really helpful, you just have to try something on your own bass if you want to find out for sure.

My current string mix is an Evah G with somewhat older Spiro mittels for the rest. I've been pleased with the sound both acoustically and thru the amp. If anything, I'm finding that the evah jumps out and hits you a bit more than the spiros (amped) due to the more pronounced fundamental. This is with a Realist, sometimes paired with AMT.
 
How about a Permanent G, Martin? (in the steel category)

Or ultimately, in the gut category, a plain varnished G like the ones used by Adrian and Phil! (Gamut, if I remember well)
No more outer wrap problem with the gut!

Francois:
I have used the Permanents (got them from Heinl's in Toronto and they cost a fortune there! Thank God for Chris Quinn.) but they did not have enough "oomph" for me.
I have often thought about the Dan Larson unwrapped gut so thats a possibility.
In the meantime have ordered the EP's so I will see how they work before making another move.
I am now breaking in an old used Weich from my collection to get the zing out of it. It might do in a pinch with the Soloflex if the EP's don't work out. I just played it this morning and it sounds a lot more solid than I remember. I also have a used Mittel G coming to see how it sounds with the Soloflex. I may also order a G Soloflex from Germany! Darned Eudoxa's...if they would stay in one piece they would be fine.
It never ends.
 
I have used the Permanents (got them from Heinl's in Toronto and they cost a fortune there! Thank God for Chris Quinn.) but they did not have enough "oomph" for me.

Beware that the Permanents G&D are quite different than the A&E.
The former are brighter but the latter are dark and deep.
Adrian Cho uses them with his Gamut top strings, so I read on his website.
After reading this, I put back a Permanent A on, and I agree it's a fantastic warm and gutsy tone!
 
Francois mon ami:

I am still having a tough time finding a G string that works well with the Soloflex/Mittel combination. One that is not ringy and nasal sounding. I have been using the Eudoxa all summer but its starting to buzz. The EP G is great...until I plug in.
So...its worth the gamble spending the same amount as the Eudoxa to get the EP D and A. The three EP strings should be easy enough to control on the PA. Its sort of a "if you can't beat them, join them" deal. Obligato's don't help at all anymore.
We'll see. Its tough being a slave to strings.....especially when I thought I had it all under control:bawl:
I'll let you know how it works out.
Uncletoad is my hero. His version of Pilgrim's Progress has inspired me to new heights in the quest for the perfect string mix.:hyper:

I've never tried Soloflexes, but if you think a Mittel G isn't so bad you would probably really like a Superflexible G even more especially after it breaks in. On one bass I find it a great match to D,A,E Mittels, but less zingy and more arco friendly. The sound of the open G is beautiful and pure on my bass and there is something very satisfying to the sound of the upper register. I've been going back and forth between two basses, the other w/ all Evahs and I can't decide which strings I like better. However, they are very different and for this reason I do not think that the Evahs would pair very well w/ Spiros. Perhaps they would w/ another synthetic core string. I think anyone trying them should try them as a full set, for they are very well balanced and have a certain mojo when all together. My .02, BG
 
bribass:

Thanks for the suggestions. My Eberle came with Superflexibles. Kept them on for a couple of weeks but they sounded awful. The Soloflex's bring out a wonderfully full and round sound in contrast to the Superflexibles which were lacking in body and tone.
I have been happy with a gut (Eudoxa) G for the past six months or so but the unravelling problem hit. Same with the Oliv G. I could list half a dozen other G's including Doms and Super Silvers which also came up short. They just did not match the fullness of the Soloflex. The EP G came close....until I plugged in.
So now its on to a EP G, D and A. If not then I may try a plain gut on the G with the Soloflex. I really like the Soloflex and may also have to go with the Soloflex G or Mittel G and suck up my preference for a gut or gut/wrapped. Never a dull moment.
 
Isn't a Soloflex one of those body-building thingees?

Seriously, who makes that string?

I just put an Olive G on with my EPs and I quite like it with the set. The true test will be on a gig. Last weekend when I used my "Evah bass" on a gig, the G in particular was getting lost amplified. Plus, I really like having a thicker, thumpier G where the notes are meaty in a gutty kind of way. The Olive G is a little thicker diameter than the Evah D which slightly upsets my compulsive nature - but that's no biggee, really. Also, for arco, the Evahs have a little more "buzz" so there's a slight timbre difference, but it never hurts to tame down the G a bit for arco.

Now for "stupid-bass-player-tricks" confession #2048: I traded a used Olive/Eudoxa set for some cash and the set of Evahs. Then I go buy another Olive G to go with the Evahs! :rollno: Go figure!!
 
Isn't a Soloflex one of those body-building thingees?

Seriously, who makes that string?

I just put an Olive G on with my EPs and I quite like it with the set. The true test will be on a gig. Last weekend when I used my "Evah bass" on a gig, the G in particular was getting lost amplified. Plus, I really like having a thicker, thumpier G where the notes are meaty in a gutty kind of way. The Olive G is a little thicker diameter than the Evah D which slightly upsets my compulsive nature - but that's no biggee, really. Also, for arco, the Evahs have a little more "buzz" so there's a slight timbre difference, but it never hurts to tame down the G a bit for arco.

Now for "stupid-bass-player-tricks" confession #2048: I traded a used Olive/Eudoxa set for some cash and the set of Evahs. Then I go buy another Olive G to go with the Evahs! :rollno: Go figure!!

Bobby:

Soloflex are made by Pyramid in Germany. On my Eberle they provide a solid note with good sustain. The A string has lots of body and projection. Beautiful feel to them. You can almost feel the note coming out with your left hand. Similar dimensions to Spirocore Mittels but a bit less tension and no zing! The Soloflex are the top of their double bass string line. About 175 bucks a set.
I stumbled on a D and A when I was looking through some old stock from a store that went out of business. I paid 20 bucks for both and threw them in my string drawer. I tried them one day and could not believe the difference they made to my bass.
I ordered a couple more directly from Max Junger at Pyramid. He's good to deal with:
www.pyramid-saiten.de
For me they are the best steel core strings I have ever used.
So far I have only used the D and A. I have a Spiro Mittel E with them and a Eudoxa for the G. The Oliv would sound good with the Soloflex also. I should try the Soloflex G but I prefer the gut sound next to the D. The EP G sounds good with the Soloflex too but only when unamplified.
 
I'm wondering if anyone is, or has, used these with a mike into an amp. I played my second gig today with them amped, and like other people have said, I didn't really get a sound I liked. I have been lucky to be able to play most of my gigs without amplification, but when I need it, it needs to sound decent.

So,

Mikes? New Pickup (I currently have a Rev Solo, not sure if it's the best for these strings)?

Even suggestions of settings on an amp. I have the Markbass LMII with a Epifani NYC112.

Peace
 
I gave up on the EPs today. I played my third gig using them, I've tried different amps and speaker cabinets but each time I keep finding them to be muddy and hard to hear on the gig. They sound great at home, they bow very well and have a nice arco tone but I can't make them work with a pickup.

So, I put my trusty Superflexibles back on. I always like these strings, so why am I compelled to keep trying new strings? (I'm an addict! Everyone say, "Hi Bobby") Also, I realize that the EPs are harder on the right hand and it's more difficult to pizz faster lines. Also, while EPs have great arco response, they have (like Obligato) the somewhat nasal character of gut when bowed. I think that in the end I prefer the arco tone of a steel string.

I still recommend trying the Evahs, they have a lot of great qualities and they may work very well for you.
 
I got my EPs on Thursday -- they've been on my Christopher hybrid for not quite three days now. I've only ever played steel strings on my basses -- Spiros, Corellis and Superflexibles -- so I'm new to the hybrid thing.

General report:
  • I like 'em fine! Friday morning I was the fool on the package who can't stop playing. They're more mid-rangey and dark than what I'm used to.
  • More fundamental -- yes. They seem to reveal a lot more clear detail when tuning with harmonics, for example. Probably because they're new and my old Superflexibles were beat like crazy.
  • I have no issues with that E string. Right off the hop it's louder and more defined than what I've ever had on there before. The A and D sing like crazy. The G isn't as good on my bass, but nothing I've had on there has thrilled me to death. This string change has shown me that my bass has issues in a lot of the lower range of the G string. It's got a boxy hollowness to it, especially in the area of the first Bflat and C -- I guess I need to start thinking about soundpost adjustments.
  • They flatter my bad bowing. They don't sing like the Superflexibles did when I was going good, but they're easier to play across a broader range.
  • Amplification? Oy. I got a story. I had a gig last night that I've done four times before -- a fancy dinner at this hotel in a little town about 30 miles out of town. Usually it's in a smaller-sized banquet room and seats 60 or 70 diners with a little room for dancing. When we showed up yesterday we discovered that this time around they changed it up: now it's a big charity deal, it's in the big modern pub, they're expecting 250 people for a big lobster pig-out. A very, very loud room with a lot of people yakking and clanking the crockery. We didn't bring any kind of PA, we were planning once again on yer basic near-acoustic dinner gig. AND -- after doing about 200 jobs with these guys, and with what look to be the loudest conditions we've ever played in, this is the night I leave my Underwood pickup at home. I did a little bridge work along with the string change and I left the damned pickup on my desk at home. Long story short, I tried going all-acoustic but the leader balked and I wound up running his mic -- for his horns; he wound up ditching his tenor and vocals and played soprano acoustically all night -- through my Clarus and 12" Portabass. Couldn't really hear s**t all night long. No detail to the sound. Pretty good thump. Much better when they all had their mouths full of lobster. It'll have to be next time for the EPs and amplification.
  • I had just done about a 1 week layoff from playing. It was a week where both the bass player and the bass went in for service. Played for a couple of hours Friday, then went out Saturday to do four hour-long sets in those loud conditions. Normally a layoff followed by a long session of heavy string-pulling might lead to some finger grief. Last night I pulled like a draft horse and today my fingers feel like I hardly played at all.

All in all I'm digging 'em just fine. Very balanced.
 
I've been living with EP's on my bass for about 2.5 months now. I tried them out slowly, putting on an EP 'G' for about a month, and then adding an EP 'D' for a few weeks, then going to an entire set.

My problem amplifying the strings was not apparent until I went to a complete set. It was the most frustrating thing ever to struggle through playing that set and not hear what I was accustomed to. I play mostly jazz, but also classical music. I also like to solo, and play with a certain amount of 'chops'. I need to get around on the instrument a little. After about 1 week of trying to play amplified gigs on the EP set, I relented and took the whole set off and put my Spiro Mittels back on. I basically gave up on the strings and was content with what worked previously for me. What happened next was weird.

I had a nonet gig 2 days after and a pretty long rehearsal in a concert hall that night. With Spiros back on my bass, I went to the rehearsal and plugged in. My beautiful 7/8ths, 60-year old, German bass sounded like CRAP. There was 'mwah' and sustain for days, and it was easier to play, but sounded SO small compared to what I had been hearing from my instrument. It was embarassing, to say the least. It was also interesting to play Spiros again. I forgot how you can coax different sounds out by, well, pulling harder. But it really felt like the bottom was pulled out from under me.

I went back home and immediately put the EP's back on. They stretched (again), and sounded really great AT HOME. I decided to make playing them a little easy on myself, so I lowered the action to around 6mm on the G and 8mm on the E. I also kept reminding myself not to yank the note out of the string. To get that 'head' on the note, Spiros really need a heavier touch, where EPs seem to have that punch with little effort (IMO). I got to my gig the next day and started with a totally FLAT eq on my GK MB150 amp. I bumped down the bass to about 11:00, ditto on the low-mid and treble, and bumped up the high-mid to around 1:00. Playing in what was basically a gymnasium with a nonet (that's 9-piece) was not as difficult as I thought it would be. I had to be heard, and I was. Walking was great, and soloing is getting much better. The sound is starting to happen, and I'm figuring out that it can't be approached the same way as with steel strings.

I'm not talking about playing unamplified, first of all. I play a pretty wide variety of gigs, and sometimes I have to really be loud (i.e. I have to match loud drummers, etc). When I'm not playing with a drummer, these strings are outstanding. They're so freaking loud acoustically that you really only need a little bump from the amp, if you're going to use an amp at all. It's when I was really turning up that I started to hear things that I didn't want to hear.

First of all, I've found the treble response of these strings (through an amp) to kinda suck. The treble sound these strings put out is harsh and somewhat loud. I have to cut treble to start out. These strings are a bit mid-heavy as well, especially in comparison to, say, Spiros. With all of the Spiro overtones, there's a 'scooped' sound there where there are mid frequencies being cut. That comes out as a 'smooth' sound through the amp. The EP's put out all kind of mids, and they can be especially harsh. I have to cut the low mids and boost the high ones a little. That being said, I have to be judicious with the high mids. Too little and my note is mud, too much and the sound becomes way too 'honky' and harsh for my taste. I started out cutting the lows on my amp with this string, but they've come up a little. Bottom is one of the things that makes these strings really great. There's substantial bottom-end that speaks (on my bass) way better than Spiros ever did. I'm not shying away from it on the amp, but not cutting as much as I used to. Still cutting some, tho.

I have a gig tomorrow where I plan on trying out my AI Contra amp with the bass. It's in a really crappy room with guitar and drums, so if anyone's interested, I'll give a report on that. For now, this is what's been working for me, my hands, and my bass. Among other things, I've also tried 2 different pickups on the instrument with the EP's, and both had their place--Underwood and Full Circle. The Full Circle seems to agree a little more.

It's worked for me, and I only expect it to get better. These strings haven't been UNPLAYABLE when amplified. On the contrary, I'm finding that it might take about an hour to really start feeling comfortable playing (esp. soloing) on a gig with these strings. My ears and my hands are adjusting. The other musicians I play with seem to love the way my bass sounds with these strings on the gig. They're just very different than what we're accustomed to.
 
After two weeks and three amplified (Full circle+Golden trinity mic.+AI Contra) gigs I can say that finally there is a string that is a REAL hybrid. EP´s are great.

BUT compared to Velvet Animas I didn´t get the wonderful wooden colours and a fat pizz tone all the way up the Animas have. Of course the EP´s bow much better but the Animas´"jazz arco" is enough for me.
The amplified sound was almost a bit dull after Animas. The same thing with spiros, superflex and doms. It seems that once you´ve played Animas there´s no turning back at least not for me. Sometimes I only wish they could be a bit stiffer... Nuno, how about Animas with medium and "heavy" tension?! :)

So I´ll put the EP´s on my arco bass and life is good...
 
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