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Everyone read this post . Looking for forum wide feedback.

I would say it would be great just to have a sticky where there would be link to youtube videos that tb members have voted to be best suited for representing the gear shown.
Most of us have played tons of basses over the years so it would be really cool to sift through a thread where the members have agreed on which video demonstrations accurately portray the instrument.
 
I was about to reply to this last night but I couldn’t remember who had done that. Thanks @burgerdj

Hey, I remember that site! (...and apparently still pay for the hosting)

Honestly the only reason that site started was because I was trying so many things and thought I would record them for objective comparison. That’s why I tried to keep so many variables the same, even down to playing the same way, which of course is hardly possible over years. Where it really became useful was while writing reviews for the now-defunct Guitar World’s Bass Guitar Magazine. The tube DI shootout with YouTube reviews as well as basstasters clips was super fun and changed the way I look at bass tone forever, for example. But I could ramble about gear all day...

At the time the bass world was experiencing an innovation explosion, with amps shrinking, pro audio-esque preamps and DI’s, and a huge number of new creative luthiers on the scene. I got bored after a while though as the innovation started to dry up and economics took many players out of the game. It appears to me that we’re seeing another wave, or maybe I’m just noticing again. Either way, it puts a smile on my face.

Perhaps I should start recording some new stuff, like the Noble, EA Doubler II, TH 500, etc...

Glad other folks remember the old basstasters days too!
 
I like this idea and would probably use the website, despite the inevitable varying factors. I agree with many though, that even if I scavenge youtube for every single video I can find and watch them a hundred times, I still want to test the bass in my hands, and ideally through an amp.

What if there was a whole bass store that had several of the same bass but all had different pickups, different strings, etc.? The cost and property would be astronomical... maybe if it was only one brand of P bass, all with the same pup configuration.
 
get TI jazz flats, the most highly lauded string out there. Such a great string that you may find a better one for you, but not for Jazz Flats lovers, definitely for feel, but also for tone.
Well, this is a perfect example of "horses for courses". I'm a jazz flats lover for one of my basses, and hated the feel of TI jazz flats, even after keeping them on for a year. Great sound, but not enough tension for me on the lower strings. And that isn't something you discover in a sound clip.
 
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Sounds like another plea to the internet for a shortcut to avoid what we need to experience to learn our craft.

I read a bunch of bongos compressor reviews. it was a great learning expirience but I still bought and sold 7 compressors before I found one that is to my liking. It happened to be at the LGS and I hadn't read a review on it before I liked it. Thanks to the internet my minds ear imagines a better sounding compressor. My actual ears hear a great compressor that I love and I haven't been looking for a compressor for years. But I can trade and sell used compressors. Harder to do with strings.

Being a double bassist with a limited income, it's hard to choose strings. Especially for the orchestral double bass. Each bass and bow vary so much and technique plays a big part of arco sound. What works for the other bassists in the section probably wont work for me because of this. I want a string that projects well in the orchestra but can still cover an occasional jazz or theatre gig, most of the really good orchestra strings are not acceptable. With prices ranging from 180 to 600 dollars for a set, I can't sample many types of strings with out a giant investment. So I take a chance that I have to live with for a few years because I cant just buy new strings every month. Would an online database have helped me select the strings i'm playing right now? I don't think so.

Did I get the absolute best strings for what I want to do? Probably not.
Are they new strings that sound better than what I had before? Yes.
Am I learning to improve my technique to sound as good as I can with what I currently have? Yes I am.
Is that making me a better bass player? You bet it is.
Am I still having fun playing bass? More than ever before!
I'm playing in a community orchestra and having a fantastic time with an adequate set of strings. It's not the Chicago Symphony Orchestra where there are the highest expectations. If I ever get close to that level I will have probably already played many sets of strings on better basses and no online resource can substitute or skip ahead of that experience. Because the only way to get there is time money persistence and patience and maybe some luck.

Play what you got, when you are tired of what you have or it breaks, do something different. Don't worry about other players gear and if you should get something better. Do you sit down to eat a nice meal and spend the whole dinner thinking about if you should have ordered something else or do you savor the food that you chose to eat right now regardless of what someone across the table or across town is eating? This online sample of all the strings on all the basses in a controlled manner is initially a neat Idea but not applicable to the real world. You don't ask the restaurant to bring you one of everything off the menu to sample before you choose your entree. At least not in one sitting. If you want to try all the items on the menu then you have to go back another night and spend some more money on a different dish. And repeat over and over. That takes time, money and patience. An online forum can not taste your food for you. At some point you will find a dish or restaurant that tastes good to you. Maybe you'll get lucky and find it early on. Asking the internet to create a free service that initially seems like a fun idea to save you time and money would in reality waste a lot of time that we could be practicing or having other fun. With out actually satisfying anyones tastes in a meaningful way. If someone wants to do it then go for it but its not something that Everyone on talk bass should leap into doing just for your desire to bypass the hurdles that all bassists have to overcome in the real world.
 
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If someone wants to do it then go for it but its not something that Everyone on talk bass should leap into doing just for your desire to bypass the hurdles that all bassists have to overcome in the real world.

Such a good point, and FWIW, I still have had quite a journey through those hurdles even making the recordings. But that said... it’s so much FUN!! Even if it doesn’t lead to being a better player, I’d still do it, because I’m a nerd and it’s fun.
 
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Hey, I remember that site! (...and apparently still pay for the hosting)

Honestly the only reason that site started was because I was trying so many things and thought I would record them for objective comparison. That’s why I tried to keep so many variables the same, even down to playing the same way, which of course is hardly possible over years. Where it really became useful was while writing reviews for the now-defunct Guitar World’s Bass Guitar Magazine. The tube DI shootout with YouTube reviews as well as basstasters clips was super fun and changed the way I look at bass tone forever, for example. But I could ramble about gear all day...

At the time the bass world was experiencing an innovation explosion, with amps shrinking, pro audio-esque preamps and DI’s, and a huge number of new creative luthiers on the scene. I got bored after a while though as the innovation started to dry up and economics took many players out of the game. It appears to me that we’re seeing another wave, or maybe I’m just noticing again. Either way, it puts a smile on my face.

Perhaps I should start recording some new stuff, like the Noble, EA Doubler II, TH 500, etc...

Glad other folks remember the old basstasters days too!

Thanks for the reply and extra context! How long ago did you do all that work?
 
Thanks for the reply and extra context! How long ago did you do all that work?

Feels like the first batch was in 2001 or so and continued until perhaps 2008... Seems like lifetimes ago! A friend of mine did the back end database work but it hasn’t aged well - and isn’t loving iOS so that’s a bummer. If anyone has crafty ideas how to update the interface let me know.
 
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To the naysayers who say this will never work - you are forbidden from ever recommending strings on this site again for the reasons you state in this thread... :)

I'm not a naysayer, but the idea with string advice from one person is that it's from a more controlled environment. I've tried three brands of flats so far. All on the same bass, through the same amp, and through the same interface/DAW. When I give my opinion on them I can account for those variables. I've also used the same gauges.
 
Well, this is a perfect example of "horses for courses". I'm a jazz flats lover for one of my basses, and hated the feel of TI jazz flats, even after keeping them on for a year. Great sound, but not enough tension for me on the lower strings. And that isn't something you discover in a sound clip.

No way of really knowing if our ideals exist or if we got them we'd appreciate achieving perfection. , i can only be happy with what i got and forget about all of what I don't (or had and lost), and that's no easy task for most people from what i see, with the materialism, conspicuous consumption, GAS, shiny new objects, etc.

I devised methods for this, it did not just come organically, nor do I think it ever does, except perhaps through tragedy, transcendent hallucinogenic experience, or drastic life changes. Start with something very basic, like clean potable water, I don't appreciate it every time I take a sip, but planting the seed of appreciation eventually turns into a habit, and periodically I feel intense gratitude and luck for not having to worry about something that many people around the world have to struggle to obtain to even survive. Once something so unappreciated becomes a source for appreciation and satisfaction, everything else is easy to appreciate. I always tell people I have one of the best if not the best cellphones that ever existed, which is just a cheap outdated LG. But I deeply contemplated what i had in my hand, and how throughout most of human history, such a device that is commonplace in our society that is able to access a (functionally) infinite amount of information that even relatively insignificant (to us) facts such as that germs cause disease, would have been a gift to humanity from a benevolent god (horribly written run on sentence). How many lands would napoleon have conquered, how many people killed, how many treasures paid for what we consider trivia just to get this precious fact of surivival, much less get a short glimpse of this sorcery we call a smartphone?

What if we found god, what if we found heaven, what if all of our dreams came true? I think we would just look for the next version of it, or maybe go back to the old analog god for it's warmth and character because everyone is using the new god.

The best I cannot be more appreciative of an electric bass than mine, it is part of me, it's what I consider now to be my last and only bass, and the 10 year old strings continue to sound the exact same while growing on me more and more every time i play. That is due in no small part to choice supportive bias, owner's bias, etc, but that feeling of having the perfect instrument is, no matter how contrived the steps and self deception needed to get there, is highly inspirational. I am free from gearlust almost completely, at least in the musical realm, and that might be the first time in my life. Maybe now i will start outputting music at an unprecedented rate.
 
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Every computer, every computer speaker, every set of headphones sounds different. Even face to face, every player sounds different.

I hate to rain OP's parade but this exactly what I was thinking. It's a noble idea for sure! But the practical application wouldn't be feasible as far as I can see.

If it was done, you could surely put in that particular caveat that all speakers are different, and your mileage may vary.
 
No way of really knowing if our ideals exist or if we got them we'd appreciate achieving perfection. , i can only be happy with what i got and forget about all of what I don't (or had and lost), and that's no easy task for most people from what i see, with the materialism, conspicuous consumption, GAS, shiny new objects, etc.

I devised methods for this, it did not just come organically, nor do I think it ever does, except perhaps through tragedy, transcendent hallucinogenic experience, or drastic life changes. Start with something very basic, like clean potable water, I don't appreciate it every time I take a sip, but planting the seed of appreciation eventually turns into a habit, and periodically I feel intense gratitude and luck for not having to worry about something that many people around the world have to struggle to obtain to even survive. Once something so unappreciated becomes a source for appreciation and satisfaction, everything else is easy to appreciate. I always tell people I have one of the best if not the best cellphones that ever existed, which is just a cheap outdated LG. But I deeply contemplated what i had in my hand, and how throughout most of human history, such a device that is commonplace in our society that is able to access a (functionally) infinite amount of information that even relatively insignificant (to us) facts such as that germs cause disease, would have been a gift to humanity from a benevolent god (horribly written run on sentence). How many lands would napoleon have conquered, how many people killed, how many treasures paid for what we consider trivia just to get this precious fact of surivival, much less get a short glimpse of this sorcery we call a smartphone?

What if we found god, what if we found heaven, what if all of our dreams came true? I think we would just look for the next version of it, or maybe go back to the old analog god for it's warmth and character because everyone is using the new god.

The best I cannot be more appreciative of an electric bass than mine, it is part of me, it's what I consider now to be my last and only bass, and the 10 year old strings continue to sound the exact same while growing on me more and more every time i play. That is due in no small part to choice supportive bias, owner's bias, etc, but that feeling of having the perfect instrument is, no matter how contrived the steps and self deception needed to get there, is highly inspirational. I am free from gearlust almost completely, at least in the musical realm, and that might be the first time in my life. Maybe now i will start outputting music at an unprecedented rate.
One thing is for sure, you ain't writing music when typing novels no one wants to read. But if it makes you happy, keep it up.
 
I hate to rain OP's parade but this exactly what I was thinking. It's a noble idea for sure! But the practical application wouldn't be feasible as far as I can see.

If it was done, you could surely put in that particular caveat that all speakers are different, and your mileage may vary.

My take was always with "inherent characteristics" in mind, rather than illustrating what gear will "always sound like". Too many variables for that, but in my experience the inherent character of the item does come through - some folks don't, but for whatever the reason I hear a ton of difference between clips.

And waiter? I'll have what the wire messiah is having...
 
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In my quest for strings and searching for a good bass I realized how difficult it was to find examples of how they sound online.

I have come up with an idea. It will take some work and a website (maybe talkbass could create a section).

What I propose is a searchable sound bank.
Categories would be bass (the make and model)

Strings (stock or otherwise)

Pickups (which pickup used and stock or aftermarket.)

Style (slap, finger, pick, ect.)

This would be user created material.


The users (us) would record di with everything set to flat , and enter our bass type, string type and style as well as which pickups we used. Then we upload.
Entering the information would be done with drop down menus.
Finding sounds would need a search bar but after the data base gets moving we could use drop down menus for searching by brand , style, string type.

This would be an incredible resource for those wanting to know how a particular bass sounds or a set of strings on a particular bass.

Its sounds complicated but it very similar to sites like photo bucket and imgur.

So, what do you guys think? Is there enough interest to make the work worth it?
I've seen the idea thrown around a few times. The answer I keep seeing is: too many variables.

Don't let that stop you, though. It's a worthwhile project.
 
I've seen the idea thrown around a few times. The answer I keep seeing is: too many variables.

Don't let that stop you, though. It's a worthwhile project.

nah, definitely let it stop you, it's a huge amount of work for very little useful info. After years and years of buying, using and evaluating gear of all types, I have found that just picking something, knowing what it does, and working within that framework is far more valuable than trying to find the perfect gear, which can waste so much valuable time. For strings, this is times 1000. pick a string (and a bass and an amp), and stick with it.