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Explain punk "credibility"?
- Thread starter fourstringdrums
- Start date
Hey if the kiddies in the Hot Topic wardrobes saw this guy do you think they would think he has any "punk cred"?
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There's being obscure, and then there's just being too stoned to make sense. Green Day is very punk for 9 year olds. Not sure what their toenails have to do with anything.
I think the pedicurist comment refers to the movie trailer I linked a few posts back. The film is documentary of a Finnish punk band, Pertti Kurikan Nimipäivät, whose members are all mentally handicapped people (Down syndrome, Williams syndrome, etc), and whose songs are about what's wrong with their lives - having to go to the pedicurist's, not getting to choose where you live, being taunted for your speech impediment and so on. I think that's the "real" punk attitude, not being happy with the conditions in which you live, and making music about that.
What makes me laugh about the whole 'punk' thing, is that 'punk' is a music industry tag to 'pigeon hole' that specific genre of music.
It's just rock music.
The punk movement lasted less than a year anyway, before it was retagged 'New Wave'.
It's all bollocks. I know, I was there '75/'76. Punk was an idea marketed to the kids by the very clever Malcolm McLaren to help sell clothes via Vivienne Westwood.
As Rotten remarked at the time: "Ever get the feeling you've been had?"
Class!!!!!!
It's just rock music.
The punk movement lasted less than a year anyway, before it was retagged 'New Wave'.
It's all bollocks. I know, I was there '75/'76. Punk was an idea marketed to the kids by the very clever Malcolm McLaren to help sell clothes via Vivienne Westwood.
As Rotten remarked at the time: "Ever get the feeling you've been had?"
Class!!!!!!
jive1
Commercial User
Punk as an ethic is something that very few people will be able to live up to. Most of us will end up working for someone else, and if you take a paid job you can be called a 'sell out' and subjected to all the criticism that cynics like to level at punks, regardless of what you do with the rest of your life.
The critics hold punk up to higher standards than religion or public office or anything else - I suppose rightly - but I think if you've got someone who's taken a job as a means to get a degree of self determination, who's a vegan and a pacifist and an activist and a creative - that person's about as punk as they come and anyone who wants to find a criticism to level at them is basically an arsehole.
The critics hold punk up to higher standards than religion or public office or anything else - I suppose rightly - but I think if you've got someone who's taken a job as a means to get a degree of self determination, who's a vegan and a pacifist and an activist and a creative - that person's about as punk as they come and anyone who wants to find a criticism to level at them is basically an arsehole.
Punk credibility - when you have no talent, you need to claim that there is something that makes you better than everyone else.
+1
Rodney Anonymous (Singer - Dead Milkmen) posted this on his facebook the other day:
"As a matter of fact, I do indeed sit on the committee which decides who is and who isn't Punk Rock. We meet monthly at the Ramada on Rt 10."
"As a matter of fact, I do indeed sit on the committee which decides who is and who isn't Punk Rock. We meet monthly at the Ramada on Rt 10."
Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter
It's who you know
If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive the bright people out of our so-called scene
Till all that's left is a meaningless fad
Hardcore formulas are dogpoopie
Change and caring are what's real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label
The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliché
A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everything
By loud fast rules appeal
Who played last night?
"I don't know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage Was a lot of fun."
[CHORUS]
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenpoopie conformist
Like your parents
What's ripped us apart even more than drugs
Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
Ripping people off when they share their stuff
When someone falls are there any friends?
Harder core than thou for a year or two
Then it's time to get a real job
Others stay home; it's no fun to go out
When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs
When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queer-bashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war
Walk tall, act small
Only as tough as gang approval
Unity is ********
When it's under someone's fat boot
Where's the common cause
Too many factions
Safely sulk in their shells
Agree with us on everything
Or we won't help with anything
That kind of attitude
Just makes a split grow wider
Guess who's laughing while the world explodes
When we're all crybabies
Who fight best among ourselves
[CHORUS]
That farty old rock and roll attitude's back
"It's competition, man, we wanna break big."
Who needs friends when the money's good
That's right, the '70s are back.
Cock-rock metal's like a bad laxative
It just don't move me, ya know?
The music's OK when there's more ideas than solos
Do we rally need the attitude too?
Shedding thin skin too quickly
As a fan it disappoints me
Same old stupid sexist lyrics
Or is Satan all you can think of?
Crossover is just another word
For lack of ideas
Maybe what we need
Are more trolls under the bridge
Will the metalheads finally learn something-
Or will the punks throw away their education?
No one's ever the best
Once they believe their own press
"Maturing" don't mean rehashing
Mistakes of the past
[CHORUS]
The more things change
The more they stay the same
We can't grow
When we won't criticize ourselves
The '60s weren't all failure
It's the '70s that stunk
As the clock ticks we dig the same hole
Music scenes ain't real life
They won't get rid of the bomb
Won't eliminate rape
Or bring down the banks
Any kind of real change
Takes more time and work
Than changing channels on a TV set
[CHORUS]
Dead Kennedys "Chickenpoopie Conformist"
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter
It's who you know
If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive the bright people out of our so-called scene
Till all that's left is a meaningless fad
Hardcore formulas are dogpoopie
Change and caring are what's real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label
The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliché
A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everything
By loud fast rules appeal
Who played last night?
"I don't know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage Was a lot of fun."
[CHORUS]
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenpoopie conformist
Like your parents
What's ripped us apart even more than drugs
Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
Ripping people off when they share their stuff
When someone falls are there any friends?
Harder core than thou for a year or two
Then it's time to get a real job
Others stay home; it's no fun to go out
When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs
When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queer-bashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war
Walk tall, act small
Only as tough as gang approval
Unity is ********
When it's under someone's fat boot
Where's the common cause
Too many factions
Safely sulk in their shells
Agree with us on everything
Or we won't help with anything
That kind of attitude
Just makes a split grow wider
Guess who's laughing while the world explodes
When we're all crybabies
Who fight best among ourselves
[CHORUS]
That farty old rock and roll attitude's back
"It's competition, man, we wanna break big."
Who needs friends when the money's good
That's right, the '70s are back.
Cock-rock metal's like a bad laxative
It just don't move me, ya know?
The music's OK when there's more ideas than solos
Do we rally need the attitude too?
Shedding thin skin too quickly
As a fan it disappoints me
Same old stupid sexist lyrics
Or is Satan all you can think of?
Crossover is just another word
For lack of ideas
Maybe what we need
Are more trolls under the bridge
Will the metalheads finally learn something-
Or will the punks throw away their education?
No one's ever the best
Once they believe their own press
"Maturing" don't mean rehashing
Mistakes of the past
[CHORUS]
The more things change
The more they stay the same
We can't grow
When we won't criticize ourselves
The '60s weren't all failure
It's the '70s that stunk
As the clock ticks we dig the same hole
Music scenes ain't real life
They won't get rid of the bomb
Won't eliminate rape
Or bring down the banks
Any kind of real change
Takes more time and work
Than changing channels on a TV set
[CHORUS]
Dead Kennedys "Chickenpoopie Conformist"
Hey if the kiddies in the Hot Topic wardrobes saw this guy do you think they would think he has any "punk cred"?
Move over, fat Elvis, there has been a Joe Strummer sighting!
I miss Joe
jive1
Commercial User
Move over, fat Elvis, there has been a Joe Strummer sighting!
I miss Joe
Umm.....that's Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys.
Punk Cred: -1
Umm.....that's Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys.
Punk Cred: -1
What? I demand Punk Cred for my weak attempt at humor! I spit in your general direction
