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Facebook's decline as a useful band tool...

I never liked facebook. I think most people who post continually, have a need to feel a lot more important than they think they are. A whole lotta 'hey look at me' goin on. And see how lucky, clever, or cool I can be. Freaks me out.

Yeah it is weird, and I think it is changing social interaction for the worse. But, it REALLY helps us to get the word out about the music.

I really liked myspace for musicians. It was perfect (still is actually) for putting out what you've got. Unfortunately you look ridiculous if you still use it for promo. My link below still goes to my myspace page. I really need to get a website goin though. I'm committing to it before the end of the summer.

I thought that when Justin Timberlake bought Myspace it was going to jump back on the scene as a great place for bands...but it hasn't. Facebook is almost too big to compete with at this point. Even Google tried and failed.
 
Facebook is past the end of their 15 minutes. The thrill is gone...

People are fed up, bored and/or simply not paying attention anymore because they are realizing that they are missing updates from friends, and that Facebook can't be relied upon to share info with the right people, or to hide it from the wrong people.

They jumped the shark when they actually commodotized inter-personal communication. The only reason users stay is because everyone else does.

The moment people start saying, "hey over here..." FB will become a dusty ghost town.
 
Facebook is past the end of their 15 minutes. The thrill is gone...

People are fed up, bored and/or simply not paying attention anymore because they are realizing that they are missing updates from friends, and that Facebook can't be relied upon to share info with the right people, or to hide it from the wrong people.

They jumped the shark when they actually commodotized inter-personal communication. The only reason users stay is because everyone else does.

The moment people start saying, "hey over here..." FB will become a dusty ghost town.

I agree with a lot of this. When they started deciding which of my friends posts appeared in my news feed, it lost its appeal.

I hope you're right about something newer (and hopefully better), replacing it!
 
Facebook can be a good tool. But you have to use it properly. One decent band here has a Facebook page, but hardly ever updates it or checks what is posted on it. They don't put up info about their gig schedule. Yeah, there is a link to their website, but a lot of casual fans never bother to click the links. Other artists - even a few DJs in the area - have posted links to their own sites on the band's wall. Yet no one in the band adds comments, starts threads about their gigs, etc. Why even bother if you aren't going to use the page? Another musician sends out posts about his gigs - 3 or 4 hours before the gig. If your notice shows up on my news feed around 3 or 4pm for a 7pm gig that same day, guess what - I already have plans for that night! Post info about gigs at least two or three days in advance, with a follow up early the day of the gig. I am not on Facebook all hours...I only check it two times a day, three at most, and I'm not the only one who is an occasional user.
 
Yeah there will definitely be a replacement for Facebook someday. ...when will it happen?
Not soon enough. :D

stagebanter, I appreciate that facebook has worked for you, to some extent, but give it a while. Things will change. As soon as facebook realizes you've found a way to circumvent their promote feature, they'll change something else to make your reach even shorter.
 
stagebanter, I appreciate that facebook has worked for you, to some extent, but give it a while. Things will change. As soon as facebook realizes you've found a way to circumvent their promote feature, they'll change something else to make your reach even shorter.

This is not a way to "circumvent" the promotional feature. This is a way of using Facebook that would be EVEN MORE effective with paid promotion. Once Graph Search rolls out, we'll probably allocate a certain amount of money to a Facebook ad budget each month, because searches and promo newsfeed spots will be more "targeted" then. I think you are misunderstanding where Facebook's money comes from. When users interact with my page, Facebook makes money. But because Facebook knows that I can make a lot more money by promoting posts, they will charge me to do it, because they can do that. They're not going to say "by the way, you have to pay for this now" - that wouldn't turn a profit.

Also, a lot of people in this thread seem to be laboring under the delusion that your posts "used to" appear on every single person's news feed, and now they suddenly don't. This is not the case. Since the introduction of the "news feed" feature, Facebook has been using targeted algorithms to determine what shows up and what doesn't. What you are paying for is to "override" those algorithms and show your posts on everyone's news feed, regardless of whether or not Facebook's "brain" has determined that they want to see it. So in short, no, you are not "paying for something that used to be free" - you're paying for a feature that didn't used to exist.

"Things will change" is the only constant in the world of Internet advertising. The question is, when things change, do you complain about how the new thing "totally sucks" or do you adapt and use it effectively? If you want to advertise on the Internet you have to be quick.
 
I agree with a lot of this. When they started deciding which of my friends posts appeared in my news feed, it lost its appeal.
I eventually deleted my fb because of this. We still have our band fb... which works well... but for personal use it went to crap.

The people who i actually like (who post interesting/entertaining topics) would get completely buried by chicks liking pictures of shoes, "if this gets 1 million likes this kid gets a new kidney", and the people with low self esteem who post 5 self taken pictures a day of them at the gym, driving a car, or standing in front of the bathroom mirror. :rolleyes:
 
Because if they did you wouldn't spend $5 to promote your stuff.
Thank you.

I know. "It's only five bucks, you cheap ass..."

It's not only $5. It can be more, based on how many people you want to reach. It's $5 or more, every time we play. It's also the principal of the whole thing. Don't start people into something, get them going for years, then change the rules.
 
Okay. Now, explain to me why people who "like" a page don't get event notifications. :eyebrow:

First of all, event notifications only go out to people you invite specifically to your event. Second of all, if you simply "like" a page you aren't going to receive all of that page's updates unless you interact regularly with that page. You might notice it showing up in your news feed a lot for a period of time and then slowly dropping off.

You've probably also noticed that you don't receive all of your friends' updates either, but that's not because Facebook wants your friends to pay money to promote their status updates. That's because they determine based on your activity on the site what you want to see and what you don't. Is it perfect? Nope, obviously not, or people wouldn't have complaints about it. Does it work for Facebook's CUSTOMERS? Well, yeah...for people who choose to adapt instead of complaining about it. Also, keep in mind that even if you aren't a paying customer, Facebook wins when people hit your page, because they can show VERY targeted ads on your page...and the more interactions you have, the more targeted (and successful) those ads can be. Facebook gets paid per click, so it benefits them to show relevant ads. The long and short of this is that when you have a successful page - even if you don't give money to Facebook - they profit. Also I don't know if you've noticed but the "pay per post" thing is a very effective way of reducing spam pages on Facebook - they now rely on "shares" from people instead of just getting a lot of likes. This means they have to do more work, which filters out the spambots a good bit.

This has been going on for a long time in many sites, not just Facebook. For example, try doing a Google search...then deleting your cookies and doing the same search. Then doing the same search from a proxy in Germany. Then getting your friend in California to do the same search, etc. etc...they'll all have different results, other than the "sponsored links" in the box above the search results.

I don't like this, because I think it reinforces the things we already like and think instead of encouraging us to develop new tastes. But it's obviously working for people who choose to adopt it...my clients, for example.

I understand your issue Stone Soup, and what I'm saying is that you could easily change your Facebook usage to make it so your posts have a wide reach and your page has a lot of interaction. I've also offered to help you figure that out a couple of times, since - like you said - it really is complex and confusing to people who don't do it all the time.

Think about it though, man - you're complaining about something that you're getting for free. And I'm even offering to help you make it work properly for you, and instead of adapting, you are complaining. It's not hard to make it work for you. You don't even have to spend money to do it.
 
Event invites do seem to be less useful than they were even a year ago. I think most people just get spammed with too damn many events (gigs or otherwise), and won't notice one more.

This. A couple of friends of mine are DJ's and just invite everyone to every event. I don't even look at them anymore.

Our band has found it's berst to have several people share an event. This seems to work best.

The band creates an event. All of the members share the event with their own personal accounts, and ask fans to do the same. It's like the old "Street Teams" concepts. Have a core group of fans who help get the word out.

Everything points to either an event, or our band's website. We are constantly adding content, blog posts, and such. We netowrk with the bands, recording folk, etc. that we work with and promote them and they in turn help promote us.

It takes effort to market your band. People won't stumble upon you if there aren't others who are sharing.
 
I understand your issue Stone Soup, and what I'm saying is that you could easily change your Facebook usage to make it so your posts have a wide reach and your page has a lot of interaction. I've also offered to help you figure that out a couple of times, since - like you said - it really is complex and confusing to people who don't do it all the time.
I do appreciate your help. Thank you.
 
I do appreciate your help. Thank you.

Also, I know that I've advocated a lot for Facebook in this thread, but like you've said, it's NOT for everyone. You might even have some people on Facebook, but it just might not be for you, and that's fine. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Facebook works great for us, and it doesn't work for lots of other bands, so there's that.
 
Screw facebook! all you folks who claim its wild success- SHOW us FACTS that you actually increased the amount of people coming to your gigs by any significant number BECAUSE of Facebook. Are you really sure they only came because of your facebook promotion? you didn't send out EMAILS to them, or call them or put up flyers, or something else?
Facts talk, BS walks, IMHO, FB is lame, and my band only has it so we can show owners, yeah we have it.
I mean you can't even post MP3's on it!! For real, how friendly for a band is that??!?