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Fender Decals On Non-Fender Basses

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(I will now taking this to the next level of absurdity)
Now I understand copyrights ,branding, and all that but let's look at it another way just for the hell of it.;)
Now I'm not trying to be controversial or anything, but in a way it seems funny to me that it is considered bad taste to stick a "Fender" decal on a Nash jazz bass (for example), when , other than buying the parts, bolting them together, and whipping them with a belt buckle, it has everything"Fender" about it(Total design, Dimensions, specifications, etc..) and very little " Nash" about it.
It's actually more offensive,for lack of a better term, to see someone else's name on the bass when the instrument itself is for all practical purposes identical to Leo's bass. Nash basses are really just cosmetically abused but otherwise identical copies of fender basses. Think of how many guitar companies got their start by humping the corpse of Fender.:hiding: The mind boggles.
Now I say this not to put down , be critical of, or show disrespect to Mr. Nash, or Mr. Sadowsky, or Suhr, or Lakin or Lull etc etc.. It's just for the sake of discussion.
That's where the money comes in I suppose. As long as the Fender Corp gets their money in the form of licensing fees, anybody can produce and sell Fender basses with their own name on it.

It seems to me that This whole issue of the desire folks have to put "Fender" on their non Fender basses has to do with our society's fixation with branding.
Folks seem to feel better about themselves if they can associate their personal belongings to a popular and respected brand. A Warmoth or Nash parts bass doesn't perform any better with a sticker on the head stock but some folks seem to feel better having one on there.

While there are unscrupulous people who will try to make money by counterfeiting vintage guitars with criminal intent, I don't believe that is the biggest motivation for this trend.

So I suppose, In my opinion, I don't have a problem with you if you get your jollies dressing up your bass to look like a Fender. I wouldn't waste my time doing it myself ( I guess I don't see the thrill in pretending to have a "real" Fender since Fender hasn't "really" been "Fender" for nearly 50 years ).
I do have a problem if you try to misrepresent your bass to sell it to some poor innocent kid, or some other scummy purpose. Otherwise, whatever makes you happy.:bassist:

I agreed with most everything but the last sentence. That "whatever makes you happy" mentality is what has wrecked havoc upon the American culture for generations now. That's the kind of short-sighted irrational vanity that leads to people needing to stamp Fender all of their guitar crap. If people stopped saying "I do whatever makes me happy" and started saying "maybe I should consider the long-term consequences", then a rational coherent thought might crap out of this thread. On the micro scale this thread represents that "I do what I want to make me feel good" mentality and it stems from the macro scale of it being ingrained in the American culture. That's largely the basis for the apathy of the Fender decal counterfeiting - "I do what I want and it doesn't affect anyone else right now - and I promise it won't, so you can butt out".

All apologies for getting vastly serious but this thread is a pile of butt nuggets.
 
I guess I should go turn myself in to the authorities.

I put a Chevrolet logo on the grill of my Isuzu. Keeps 'em guessing.

Somehow I see that as a 'fun' modification not of fraud, as the registration/pink says it's an Isuzu - but I get a chuckle out of it when someone sees the Chevrolet Vega fender badges on it too. They ask me: "Are they making Vegas again?"

Unless I am in the manufacturing or marketing of bogus Chevrolet Vegas for a profit - what's it matter?

Funny - some more Draconian 'laws' also state (in California, anyway) that it's illegal to change the color of one's vehicle without filing the correct documents with DMV. Kinda makes that 'American Dream' ideal a little more blurry - huh?
 
I guess I should go turn myself in to the authorities.

I put a Chevrolet logo on the grill of my Isuzu. Keeps 'em guessing.

Somehow I see that as a 'fun' modification not of fraud, as the registration/pink says it's an Isuzu - but I get a chuckle out of it when someone sees the Chevrolet Vega fender badges on it too. They ask me: "Are they making Vegas again?"

Unless I am in the manufacturing or marketing of bogus Chevrolet Vegas for a profit - what's it matter?

People are a little more protected with cars because they have titles. Plus Carfax...

The difference between your "Fun" modification depends on who you're buying the decals/ emblems from.
 
Somehow I see that as a 'fun' modification not of fraud, as the registration/pink says it's an Isuzu - but I get a chuckle out of it when someone sees the Chevrolet Vega fender badges on it too. They ask me: "Are they making Vegas again?"

I think there are alot of those same people buying counterfeit Fenders and never asking why their Fender looks like an Ibanez or an SX. For example: "Whoaa...I've never seen a Fender with that color before! They make those now? I gotta have it!" - never questioning for a second that it's that color because it's NOT A FENDER. If there are people asking if your Isuzu is a Vega, they are either A.) all gullible as hell and were the perfect candidate for traveling snake salesmen (or Fender counterfeiter) or B.) all ignorant as hell and a perfect candidate for a traveling snake salesmen (or Fender counterfeiter). Someone with a rational mind would first ask, "Is that and Isuzu with Vega decals?" instead of asking "Why does that Vega look like an Isuzu?" That's the difference.
 
I did something similar with an OLP MM-2 that had a matching black headstock I didn't like. I wanted to strip and put a matching clear coat on it, leaving a natural finish, but didn't like OLP logo. So I recreated a stingray decal (intentionally without registration markings). It turned out pretty nice.

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The 5 is authentic, the 4 is the mock-up.

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I did something similar with an OLP MM-2 that had a matching black headstock I didn't like. I wanted to strip and put a matching clear coat on it, leaving a natural finish, but didn't like OLP logo. So I recreated a stingray decal (intentionally without registration markings). It turned out pretty nice.

Soooo...long story short, you're just saying you wanted a MusicMan logo on your OLP.
 
OK, Don't EVEN profess to have read all 42 pages of this disagreement, but I got a question. If someone builds a bass with, say, Allparts parts, and puts a Fender logo on that has something missing or has an obvious change to identify it as reproduction, is THAT an unforgivable sin?

The most pathetic thing I've read is the guy who bought the 'Alembic' for $300 and ignored that the only thing about the bass that remotely resembles an Alembic is the sticker.....

BTW, I have a Japanese Precision with a Warmoth neck, and it has a Warmoth logo. If I could have found a Fender logo, I would have put it on there. It IS a Precision and the neck is a MUCH better piece than what I took of it. Is that sacrilege too?
 
BTW, I have a Japanese Precision with a Warmoth neck, and it has a Warmoth logo. If I could have found a Fender logo, I would have put it on there. It IS a Precision and the neck is a MUCH better piece than what I took of it. Is that sacrilege too?

That would be a MIJ Fender Precision with a Warmoth neck. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
BTW, I have a Japanese Precision with a Warmoth neck, and it has a Warmoth logo. If I could have found a Fender logo, I would have put it on there. It IS a Precision and the neck is a MUCH better piece than what I took of it. Is that sacrilege too?

That would be a Frankenbass, not a Fender. It doesn't matter if the new neck is better. We're not all up in one another's faces over claims of quality, it's about no being honest about what you have. We've all seen *really* old Fenders for sale that had been somebody's dad's or granddad's, so the claim that, someday, a mis-labelled frankenbass isn't going to get sold to an unsuspecting buyer is false.

Putting something into the world that you know has even just an 80% chance for causing someone to get screwed over is dishonest. It's really that simple
 
I know this thread is approaching epic status, but I wanted to point anyone still paying attention to another thread as an example of what a mess this can make...

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=736186

Is the kid getting scammed? Was the seller just confused? I dunno- kid doesn't have pics or serials or a coherent story to follow up on...

Point is- you can't un-ring a bell. Somewhere down the line by omission or commission someone is going to acquire a decal job and think it's something it's not.
 
I must say that I find it very disappointing that so many in this thread have the "Buyer Beware" attitude. What's wrong with you people? Don't you recall when you were young and didn't know anything?

When I was in the market for Fender basses, there wasn't this cottage industry of forgery. Now that there is, don't any of you sympathize with unwitting buyers? Are you that personally selfish that you don't give a damn about others getting duped? This whole "I know better, screw everyone else" attitude is kind of depressing.
 
Well, I am tempted to have it buried with me because it is so insanely beautiful I don't ever want to part with it... but are you honestly going to lose sleep over the distant fate of a bass that you will never even see? :)
I'm not losing any sleep over it. I'm not the one setting up someone to get ripped off.
It boils down to... one either has good ethics or one doesn't. Where do you fit in? By your "not lose sleep" response, it appears that you are the latter.
 
Some dude try to sellz me a Fendre base one time but I looked close to the sticker on the paddle thing on the end ov teh long stick thing that teh strings are on and it says to me it says "Fender" so I knew it wasn't a reel Fendre so I says to the dood noway pal of mine!
 
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I'm not losing any sleep over it. I'm not the one setting up someone to get ripped off.
It boils down to... one either has good ethics or one doesn't. Where do you fit in? By your "not lose sleep" response, it appears that you are the latter.

You people and your character judgements... I said what I have to say; I put the decal on there because it looks stupid without it, that's pretty much it. No one thinks it came from the Fender factory, because I have told them otherwise. My children will know the story behind this bass, and if they, or anyone else ever sells this bass after I am dead, then they will be the ones getting ripped off, because it is a truly magnificent instrument. That's pretty much all I have to say about it.
 
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