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Fender Marketing Propaganda?

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atquinn said:
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What's the deal with the "Ultra Noiseless Vintage split-coil P Bass® pickup"? All Split P pickups are noiseless, right? I imagine Fender wanted the logos for the P pickup to match that of the J pickup. But under the hood, I'm assuming this is just a regular P pickup. In which, case, what is it actually? Fender sells the Ultra Noiseless™ Vintage Jazz Bass® Pickup Set separately, but not the Ultra Noiseless Vintage split-coil P Bass® pickup. So is he ultra noiseless a rebrand of one of the pickups they do sell (PV 62, PV 63, CS 62) or something different?
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Usually it’s the amp that’s noisy.
 
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Why can't they be laid back and self effacing, like Carey Nordstrand?

"Rude, rough, and radical, this aggressive split coil design will chomp its way through any live or recorded mix. The NJ4SE uses the same hand wound pattern as our other NJs, but is given its midrange heft through the use of a finer enamel wire. The character of this pickup comes down to a pronounced lower midrange and slightly muted high end, which makes it exceptionally suited for finger style players who might want a solo bridge pickup that has a bark that bites. The NJ4SE is bred for the stage, where its hum-canceling clarity and boisterous presence will slaughter any noise that dare desecrate the circumference of its sonic facility."

NJ4SE Hum-Cancelling
 
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Many of you are inferring waaaay more into this post than was implied! As far as I can see in my perusing, I like Fender bass products quite a bit more than the average TB'er! :D At any rate, Fender's consumer relations department says:
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Thanks for reaching out. Fender does not currently offer the P Bass Ultra Noiseless pickups (or any of the noiseless pickups for that matter) for sale. No word at this point on if they will be released or not.

I'll push up to the product team and give them a nudge. Seems like a bit of a miss to me!
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Don't know that I trust it since they definitely sell noiseless pickups on their very own website:roflmao: I figure someone thought the Elites looked stupid with on logo'd pickup and one unlogo'd pickup so instead of making the aesthetically superior move and taking the logo off the jazz pickup, they made the financially superior move and threw the branding onto the split P. Maybe I'll ask them about the Elite Precision Bass neck single-coil pickup next? :roflmao:
 
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2cooltoolz said:
Why can't they be laid back and self effacing, like Carey Nordstrand?

"Rude, rough, and radical, this aggressive split coil design will chomp its way through any live or recorded mix. The NJ4SE uses the same hand wound pattern as our other NJs, but is given its midrange heft through the use of a finer enamel wire. The character of this pickup comes down to a pronounced lower midrange and slightly muted high end, which makes it exceptionally suited for finger style players who might want a solo bridge pickup that has a bark that bites. The NJ4SE is bred for the stage, where its hum-canceling clarity and boisterous presence will slaughter any noise that dare desecrate the circumference of its sonic facility."

NJ4SE Hum-Cancelling
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Now that's some ad copy! I'm going to spend some time perusing their website this evening! :)
 
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micguy said:
Fender’s naming can be a bit confusing, but Music Man’s naming confusion is head and shoulders above Fender’s. No comparison, really. I am a Physicist, and their naming is beyond my capabilities.
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Man, ain’t that the truth!

It’s a good thing that where Music Man is concerned, all I need to know is “Stingray 5” or “SR5”. And there’s “Stingray 5H”.

Any more complicated than that and my eyes would glaze over…
 
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4StringTheorist said:
Propaganda?
Nahh.
"ultra noiseless vintage" is just the name of the product line, so it's a part of the P name too.

More generally, to say that a thing A has property X is not to say that some other thing B must lack property X.

To say "They call this sandwich a cheeseburger, but look! The club sandwich has cheese as well! Is this propaganda?" is surely more than a bit overwrought, yeah?

The word "noiseless" being on these pups makes sense factually ( of course they're noiseless, they're P pups) and from a marketing perspective ( uniform trade dress on a product line)
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I think the issue here is the violation of the cooperative principle of communication. A "Noiseless" split coil P pickup raises eyebrows because a P pickup by definition is 'noiseless' in the sense that matters for pickups, and anybody who's going to be throwing around money for a Fender is likely to know this. At the very least, it's not necessary for the brand of pickup to bear this moniker.

It's like advertising a "cheeseburger sandwich" or the classic example of "vegan tomatoes". A cheeseburger is by definition a sandwich, so adding the term on doesn't do anything for the audience and may in fact raise more questions than it answers (such as with 'vegan tomatoes', which raises the question of what 'non-vegan tomatoes' would be. I didn't make that one up; that's just a commonly illustrated example of this concept.)
 
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