Like the title says, bought a new rumble 500. combo and want to order either the 410 or the 115 extention cab. I'm not realy interested in the 112 or 210. Are there advanrages to either of these cabs, or is it simple preference? I asume,that the 115, will yield more bottom end, and the 410 more presence or power. would like to hear oppinions. I prefer to keep it all fender.
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Fender Rumble 500 combo, best extention cab
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wow, really, I just assumed bigger speaker bigger bottom, glad I asked, and thank you.
. It would have to be a very weak cab to not perform better than a 115, or the 115 would have to be very high end. Bigger speaker only tells you it goes in a bigger hole 
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Why are you not interested in the 210? Just curious.
Is it just your preference? If so, you should get what you think would be best.
Do you like your Combo and the way it sounds?
I have the 500 V3 Combo and the 210. The 210 gives you even more of what the Combo gives.
I have so much bottom end that I can rattle the whole house. I typically practice with my master set between 8-9 o'clock in my 11'x18' music room. Any more and everything in the room starts vibrating.
Is it just your preference? If so, you should get what you think would be best.
Do you like your Combo and the way it sounds?
I have the 500 V3 Combo and the 210. The 210 gives you even more of what the Combo gives.
I have so much bottom end that I can rattle the whole house. I typically practice with my master set between 8-9 o'clock in my 11'x18' music room. Any more and everything in the room starts vibrating.
Modern 10's go just as low as 15's do. The Rumble 115 is really noted for it's smooth broad dispersion of the midrange, and excellent tone in general. There is a lot of love for the 115 at the Fender Rumble Club. For maximum SPL, get the 410. The coupling effect of all those Eminence 10's will yield incredible depth with lots of beef & punch.
Well, do to my being an owner opperator. truck driver, I do 99% of my comparison shopping via internet/ eBay. while looking at the available options, the 210 cab is only a $50.00 savings over a 410 on the finacial side of thing, though addmittedly it substantialy lighter, it just diddt make good sence to me . reasoning, if I find myself wanting more in the speaker dept. after buying a 210, I would have wasted that cash, on the other side going with the 410, though larger, and heavier, I shoul have plenty of head room for most any gig, I might find myself involved with. pluss Im an overkill junckie, lol!..the old addage " never bring a knife to a gun fight ", I like to bring a tank.
Adding a 4X10 to a 2X10 when they are the same impedance means the speakers in your 2X10 will be receiving twice the power that the speakers in your 4X10 are getting, making your 2X10 the weak link.
You will be basically limited to around the same output as using a 4X10 by itself.
I get you on the price thing. I thought about the same thing when I was getting my Rumble Rig. Definitely not a linear relationship on the price on the cabinets.
I also get you on the tank part. I was in the Army for 21 years and was a tanker.
THis is the other thing I researched when I was deciding what to buy.
If you run the 4x10 you're going to end up with 250 watts going to the internal 2x10 and the other 250 watts going to the extension 4x10.
Hopefully others can chime in but to me this doesn't seem quite right. For any given volume with this setup you're going to be running half of your power into a third of the cone area. I imagine this might make for a complicated EQ situation and an odd tone.
I say your best bet will be the 2x10 cabinet.
If you don't mind saying why have you decided against the 2x10 cabinet?
There are several guys in the rumble club thread with V3 500s and the 2x10 extension.
Hopefully others can chime in but to me this doesn't seem quite right. For any given volume with this setup you're going to be running half of your power into a third of the cone area. I imagine this might make for a complicated EQ situation and an odd tone.
I say your best bet will be the 2x10 cabinet.
If you don't mind saying why have you decided against the 2x10 cabinet?
There are several guys in the rumble club thread with V3 500s and the 2x10 extension.
The Rumble 410 under a Rumble 500 combo works just fine. No problem. Rumble Club member, Wiggle and someone else I can't remember has that rig.
The internal 2x10's already take 350 watts with deft aplomb, so having to 'make do' with just 250 watts almost seems like starvation. In no way is this any kind of "weak link". As for the 410, it will just eat up 250 watts as if it were an after gig party snack. Put the Rumble 500 head on top of a pair of Rumble 410 cabs if you want maximum SLP.
Rumble On!
The internal 2x10's already take 350 watts with deft aplomb, so having to 'make do' with just 250 watts almost seems like starvation. In no way is this any kind of "weak link". As for the 410, it will just eat up 250 watts as if it were an after gig party snack. Put the Rumble 500 head on top of a pair of Rumble 410 cabs if you want maximum SLP.
Rumble On!
Just because they work without immediately blowing up, does not mean it is an ideal setup.
And........ANY TIME one set of speakers is receiving twice the power that the other set of speakers is getting, by definition makes it the weak link any way you look at it.
And........ANY TIME one set of speakers is receiving twice the power that the other set of speakers is getting, by definition makes it the weak link any way you look at it.
I'd go 210. Matching cabs, space saver, plus you'll get all the bottom end you want out of what is now your 410 set up with all the power going to the right places.
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Unless you can get a 4 ohm 410 with the same drivers as are your 8 ohm 210—but such options are generally not available with combos. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I don't think there is a 4 ohm extension cabinet for the Rumble, especially in light of the fact they aren't 2 ohm capable—IME, IMHO, YMMV, etc.
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If I understood the fender rep correctly, when you access the aux out put for the second cab, on either the head or the combo. it does two things. #1 your total wattage increases from 350, ( which is the stand alone wattage of the 500 combo, or the head with one cab ), to 500 watts. #2. the 500 watts is split equaly betwen the first outpout channel and the second,so you drop 100 watts from the combos internal speakers from 350 to 250, and pump another 250 watts to what ever cab you add. so if I am understanding corectly no matter what cab you add to the combo, the combos speakers will drop 100 watts from what they are useing when workinng alone, so i assume itskind of like daisy chaining the old 50 watt marshall heads back in the day.....same signal pumping through multiple channels, doubling the total wattage ofoutput?????
No matter what cab you use as an extension as long as it is an 8 ohm cab you're going to get 250 watts per channel.
The issue is sending one "package" of 250 watts to 2x10" speakers and then the other 250 watts to 4x10" speakers. Your setup ends up being asymmetric in terms of power distribution. You'll end up with half of your power pushing a third of your air.
Now this isn't the end all to the discussion and I imagine you'd be very very happy with a 4x10 extension. In reality the 4x10 extension is going to be your "loudest" option. Using a 4x10 extension will give you the most speaker SA.
But from an engineering and audiophile standpoint the setup wouldn't be ideal.
The issue is sending one "package" of 250 watts to 2x10" speakers and then the other 250 watts to 4x10" speakers. Your setup ends up being asymmetric in terms of power distribution. You'll end up with half of your power pushing a third of your air.
Now this isn't the end all to the discussion and I imagine you'd be very very happy with a 4x10 extension. In reality the 4x10 extension is going to be your "loudest" option. Using a 4x10 extension will give you the most speaker SA.
But from an engineering and audiophile standpoint the setup wouldn't be ideal.
Check out this post (and the one following it, and perhaps some of the ones before it for more context) on the Rumble Club thread, I found it quite informative:
Fender Rumble Club | Page 173 | TalkBass.com
I personally can't comment on the Fender 410 cab with the Rumble 500 combo. I nearly pulled the trigger on the 410, but decided to save myself a little bit of back ache and go for the new 210 cab. I get what you were saying about the economics of it earlier in this thread, it seems like a no-brainer to get 2 more speakers for $50 extra, and it has casters! That nearly turned the tide for me and sent me in the direction of the 410. However, having had to lug around a 90 lb speaker cabinet for 14 years has sold me on weight savings when I can get it.
I can say that I am very happy that I went with the 210. Funny thing is that I really haven't had to use it much, since the 500 combo is very loud on it's own. However, when I do use it, it works great, tone is awesome, I get plenty of low end, and if I turn the volume to noon with all the other controls at noon it gets very loud. Low end response is much better than I thought it would be, in fact I turn down the bass and low mid a bit on the amp for the most part.
There are a few on the Rumble Club thread that are using the 500 combo with the 410 (or the 115), perhaps pop on over and see if you can find some good responses that might give you an idea of what works best for you.
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What he or she should have said is, "When you connect a second 8 ohm cabinet in parallel, the 210 combo's amplifier now sees an impedance of 4 ohms, and is able to deliver output closer to its maximum rating. The two cabinets (combo and extension) each receive equal power. It is advantageous, though not required, that these cabinets have the same type and number of drivers."
Impedance is widely discussed in the Amps/Ohm sticky and elsewhere online.
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Regarding a Rumble 500 Combo plus a Rumble 410 extension, look at the two internal 10's as one eight-ohm load, and the four 10's of the extension cabinet as a second eight-ohm load in parallel. It's not perfect on paper, but it will sound damn fine, with all speaker components operating well within specs. It's not worth a second thought. Personally, I have a Rumble 500 combo plus the 115 extension cabinet. With either a JBass or G&L M2000 it is a juicy setup that is light enough to actually move by myself. I am a fan of v3 Rumbledom.
