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Fender Rumble Club

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GonePlaid said:
Someone else mentioned the idea of getting the main cab off the floor and closer to ear level and the different sound of a different(1-15 or 2x10)depending on your main)cabinet.:)
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That person must be mic'ing both cabinets or running 2 DI boxes to get the blend of the 10s and the 15. I guess that's why it makes very little sense to me to have an additional cabinet of 2 10s to go along with the combo, because the amp is being used as a monitor for the most part anyway. If getting the amp to ear level is what someone wants, why not use a wedge instead of lugging around an additional cabinet?
 
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elitheguy said:
In my experience, a DI box is meant to go straight to the PA through XLR, then pass the signal along to the preamp. Using 2 DI boxes in this case wouldn't make a lot of sense. I do mix cabs with my Aggie TH350 head; I use a Rumble 210 and 115 in tandem with it. But every time I've gone into a PA it's been either through the direct on the TH350 or through the xlr out on my Tech21 bass flyrig (which will eventually be replaced by a full pedalboard that has a DI box on it as well).
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I understand folks blending the sound of the two different speaker sizes to get more low end. The thing that doesn't make sense to me is adding an additional cabinet with the same speaker size, unless the person isn't running it through the PA. The Rumble 500 has much more than enough stage volume by itself.
 
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elitheguy said:
In my experience, a DI box is meant to go straight to the PA through XLR, then pass the signal along to the preamp. Using 2 DI boxes in this case wouldn't make a lot of sense. I do mix cabs with my Aggie TH350 head; I use a Rumble 210 and 115 in tandem with it. But every time I've gone into a PA it's been either through the direct on the TH350 or through the xlr out on my Tech21 bass flyrig (which will eventually be replaced by a full pedalboard that has a DI box on it as well).
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I guess I was so used to using a DI box from using an old BXR 300. So...you connect the external cabinet to your combo amp, then run an XLR from your combo to the board, correct? Does your combo amp automatically blend the two signals together, or is there a knob on the back of your combo to determine what percentages you get from each set of speakers? As you can tell I've never used a external cabinet.
 
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Hooskerdu said:
Here's my question...do people actually use an external cabinet with the Rumble 500? For the life of me I can't magine anyone needing any more volume out of a bass amp, even if you aren't running it through the PA. I ran mine through the PA, but didn't have any going through the monitors other than the drummer's monitor, and I could still hear myself on stage very well. And even then the master was never set higher than maybe 10 o'clock at most. Still tons of headroom.

I would think the only way someone would want/need an external cabinet would be if you aren't running the bass through the PA or if your drummer has never become familiar with the concept of dynamics. Or are you mic'ing both the onboard speakers and the external cabinet or running 2 DI boxes to the board?
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I don't run my mix through a PA 95% of the time, and have the 500 Combo sitting atop the 115 cab. For my situation it is an ideal sound solution and has the headroom if needed in the venues I play. With these lightweight boxes the word "lugging" doesnt apply. I am extremely happy to load these 2 lightweight cabs into the back of my wagon. Pure Bliss after "lugging" around a Peavey MKIV head and Peavey 1820 cab for 30 years believe me. The Fender Rumble 500 Combo and additional 115 cab it sits on top of are a perfect combination for me at least, but to each his own.
 
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Hooskerdu said:
That person must be mic'ing both cabinets or running 2 DI boxes to get the blend of the 10s and the 15. I guess that's why it makes very little sense to me to have an additional cabinet of 2 10s to go along with the combo, because the amp is being used as a monitor for the most part anyway. If getting the amp to ear level is what someone wants, why not use a wedge instead of lugging around an additional cabinet?
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Space. Many of the places we play I'm,maybe 6 feet in front of the rig. Any more and I'm in the dance area. Even with the wedge,the sound is going somewhere between my knees and my keester. Because I like a lot of bottom(from my amp)I like to have it in contact w/ the floor, either direct or through another cab-either a 210 or a 112-which I don't currently have. One, ONE,place we play has a big enough stage that I'm about 10 feet in front of my R200c:bassist:
 
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Giffro said:
I don't run my mix through a PA 95% of the time, and have the 500 Combo sitting atop the 115 cab. For my situation it is an ideal sound solution and has the headroom if needed in the venues I play. With these lightweight boxes the word "lugging" doesnt apply. I am extremely happy to load these 2 lightweight cabs into the back of my wagon. Pure Bliss after "lugging" around a Peavey MKIV head and Peavey 1820 cab for 30 years believe me. The Fender Rumble 500 Combo and additional 115 cab it sits on top of are a perfect combination for me at least, but to each his own.
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It makes sense to me for the sound you're looking for to have the 2 cabinets. Doesn't your rig blow you out when you don't go through the PA though? And don't your guitar players cuss you out for being too loud every gig? Imagine that...guitar players getting on someone else for being too loud. ;-)
 
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Any HIFI nut will tell you that to get the best bass response from a cab have it on the floor close to a corner...loll and that's usually where I got relegated in most my 4 piece bands at least.
Edit. I usually remove the casters on the 115 cab so it does sit squarely on the floor too and it does make a difference in bass response. I have tested that theory in the same room at the same volume with casters on and off. Off for better bass response with the cab on the floor.
 
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Hooskerdu said:
It makes sense to me for the sound you're looking for to have the 2 cabinets. Doesn't your rig blow you out when you don't go through the PA though? And don't your guitar players cuss you out for being too loud every gig? Imagine that...guitar players getting on someone else for being too loud. ;-)
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Loll nahh..neer had a problem with any band mates in view of my volume..but then again it depends what music we are playing and what bass im using..some are punchier than others..the Ric in particular is a beast but my EBMM and Peavey Dyna 5 are a bit untamed at times. To answer your question..basically no..I never have band mate issues with volume. I usually know where to sit in a mix as far as volume goes anyway...after so long gigging the balance seems to come naturally.
 
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Giffro said:
I don't run my mix through a PA 95% of the time, and have the 500 Combo sitting atop the 115 cab. For my situation it is an ideal sound solution and has the headroom if needed in the venues I play. With these lightweight boxes the word "lugging" doesnt apply. I am extremely happy to load these 2 lightweight cabs into the back of my wagon. Pure Bliss after "lugging" around a Peavey MKIV head and Peavey 1820 cab for 30 years believe me. The Fender Rumble 500 Combo and additional 115 cab it sits on top of are a perfect combination for me at least, but to each his own.
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We had-note past tense-one venue that has 2 bars,one for smokers. They asked us if we could hook into the house P.A. so they could hear us to come out and dance. So. I bit the bullet and bought 2 Superlux guitar amp mics(like EV but less $) so we could do that. I already had a bass amp mic-or I could go direct-and we had enough extra mics to pick up the drums. 2 gigs later they told me not to bother, they'd play the juke box, they prefer C&W!(is there an emoticon for tearing my hair-the little I have-out?):banghead:
 
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GonePlaid said:
We had-note past tense-one venue that has 2 bars,one for smokers. They asked us if we could hook into the house P.A. so they could hear us to come out and dance. So. I bit the bullet and bought 2 Superlux guitar amp mics(like EV but less $) so we could do that. I already had a bass amp mic-or I could go direct-and we had enough extra mics to pick up the drums. 2 gigs later they told me not to bother, they'd play the juke box, they prefer C&W!(is there an emoticon for tearing my hair-the little I have-out?):banghead:
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Got a giggle then GonePlaid..and yes sir...i havent got much hair left.
 
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Giffro said:
Any HIFI nut will tell you that to get the best bass response from a cab have it on the floor close to a corner...loll and that's usually where I got relegated in most my 4 piece bands at least.
Edit. I usually remove the casters on the 115 cab so it does sit squarely on the floor too and it does make a difference in bass response. I have tested that theory in the same room at the same volume with casters on and off. Off for better bass response with the cab on the floor.
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That actually makes sense to me. I've seen it with my old BXR300. I used to take the casters off after I determined where I was point to position my amp. If I weren't also the singer I would realize how little respect we get as bass players. :-)
 
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Hooskerdu said:
It makes sense to me for the sound you're looking for to have the 2 cabinets. Doesn't your rig blow you out when you don't go through the PA though? And don't your guitar players cuss you out for being too loud every gig? Imagine that...guitar players getting on someone else for being too loud. ;-)
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A lot of the time when ppl have bitched about the guitar(s)being too loud,if ya take off some highs,they're ok.:)
 
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Hooskerdu said:
We use the QSC K Series powered speakers, so I definitely know about cutting back on highs. They are nearly idiot proof speakers, but you become aware very quickly that the highs need to be tamed down a bit on both guitar and voice.
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Yeah. to us it's clarity,to them it's piercing. BTW, I played in some LOUD bands in the 70's. We didn't know about decent earplugs. The range I've lost is the normal female voice. I sometimes wonder how many times I got offstage and was asked"Wanna _____?" To which,ears ringing,I'd reply"We go back on in 20 minutes". These days I say"Huh?" a lot.:(
 
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GonePlaid said:
Yeah. to us it's clarity,to them it's piercing. BTW, I played in some LOUD bands in the 70's. We didn't know about decent earplugs. The range I've lost is the normal female voice. I sometimes wonder how many times I got offstage and was asked"Wanna _____?" To which,ears ringing,I'd reply"We go back on in 20 minutes". These days I say"Huh?" a lot.:(
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I know exactly what you mean although, as we get older, losing the female voice range can have it's advantages :headphone::eyebrow:. In my case, I eventually lost volume in general which required $4K hearing aids. Playing bass with hearing aids is not all that bad, except when you want to practice with earphones...that is a PITA :crying::(. I don't even want to think about what that $4K could have bought in the way of equipment :poop:.
 
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SoulReflection said:
I know exactly what you mean although, as we get older, losing the female voice range can have it's advantages :headphone::eyebrow:. In my case, I eventually lost volume in general which required $4K hearing aids. Playing bass with hearing aids is not all that bad, except when you want to practice with earphones...that is a PITA :crying::(. I don't even want to think about what that $4K could have bought in the way of equipment :poop:.
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Yike. Or,to put that another way: YIKE!:(
 
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GonePlaid said:
Space. Many of the places we play I'm,maybe 6 feet in front of the rig. Any more and I'm in the dance area. Even with the wedge,the sound is going somewhere between my knees and my keester. Because I like a lot of bottom(from my amp)I like to have it in contact w/ the floor, either direct or through another cab-either a 210 or a 112-which I don't currently have. One, ONE,place we play has a big enough stage that I'm about 10 feet in front of my R200c:bassist:
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What he said.
 

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