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Hello fellow rumblers, I recently finished my build over in the Luthiers Corner and thought I'd share my entry with you. The sound clip (my playing isn't great) was recorded through my Rumble Studio 40. The settings I used were:
Upper riff - Brittish Watts with the Octobot in front (for upper octave fuzz)
Lower riff - Alembic F2B preset (for a deep bottom end)
Melody - Synth Madness present
I recorded from the effects out into a TC Wiretap pedal.
Check it out
Winter Build Off 2020 - The Carbine Bass
Upper riff - Brittish Watts with the Octobot in front (for upper octave fuzz)
Lower riff - Alembic F2B preset (for a deep bottom end)
Melody - Synth Madness present
I recorded from the effects out into a TC Wiretap pedal.
Check it out
Winter Build Off 2020 - The Carbine Bass
Been enjoying all the photos, so it would only be right to repay the good deeds with a photo of my own-- in my practice space:View attachment 3735898
Fender Rumble 25 that I purchased shortly after the release of the V3s. Stingray Classic in "Retro Burst" from 2011 or so... Hopefully, I'll soon be able to convince my wife that having a Rumble 100 to use at church is a good idea, but for now I go direct. Someday!
The Rumble 25 sounds great for such a small package. Simply leave all the knobs at noon, and adjust the volume commensurate to the time of day/number of people in the house, and rock on!
Anyway, back to practicing~
Wolfy, it's good to see you again. This time, @Wolfhound32, you are now member #1197 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome.
Rumble On!
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Hi all I am here hat in hand looking for some advice and direction. I own a Hartke LH500 and have liked it alot. I was talked into a Eden 4x10 speaker cabinet that the sales guy kept stating was 400w at 4ohms which would handle the amp head just fine but just don't turn it up to 11 and it should be just fine. I have been pretty gentle with it and have never gone over 5 in the year I have had it. Apparently that was a good thing as I found out today the watt rating is RMS. I could not remember my Watt ratings from my stereo days so I took the sales guy at his word. To make a long story longer I had a chance today to play alone in our practice room in the basement of one of the Casino's and let my ignorance get the best of me. I cranked it to 7 and let fly the opening of Mississippi Queen. A loud snap then another and then nothing but flutter. I had ripped 2 of the speakers. Am I correct in remembering that a cabinet rated 400w RMS is actually 200w peak? Finally since I need a new cab do you have any recommendations? I have been looking at the Rumble 800w 4x10.
Thanks in advance (he says sheepishly)
Bob
Thanks in advance (he says sheepishly)
Bob
My main question is will the Fender Rumble 4x10 rated at 1000w program and 500w continuous stand up to this amp head? I am just about to pull the trigger on one that I can have here by Tuesday. I am a bit gun shy as I keep getting warning emails from Hartke saying to not go below 600w continuous. I am not real educated on issues referring to tubed pre-amp and stacked EQ systems. Hope to speak to you tomorrow.
Thanks in advance.
Bob
Thanks in advance.
Bob
The Rumble 410 V3 is an 8 ohm cabinet so yes it matches your amp easily. LH 500 is rated at 350W at 8 ohms.
Above where you wonder about the RMS power, no peak is the highest number cab manufacturers might include in the specs to confuse the buyer and RMS is the smallest and also confuses people since most manufacturers use other measurements of power rating. You might see 250W RMS advertised as something like 500W program or music or whatever actual usage. Best case scenario: if the Hartke is 500 RMS and the Eden was 400 RMS as well the cab still was too weak and only worked for you as long as you kept the volume down.
EDIT: actually I do not know how Hartke's specs are measured versus Fender's but Rumbles are generally considered to be loud so I guessed Fender's 500W (program) is quite enough to handle Hartke's 350W (something that might even be RMS). Particularly since they "only" suggest to get 600W for their 500W (at 4 ohms).
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Thank you for the explanation. The emails that I have been receiving from Hartke emphatically state that the amp head is 500w at 4ohm and 350w at 8ohm with no mention of RMS with amp head output. But I did find the users guide for the cabinet and it states 400w RMS. I know I am using old terminology but it is what I have at the moment. What I did see was a rip in the speaker fabric on two speakers diagonally which I interpreted as the speaker cabinet being too weak for what I did. Thank you for clearing that up a bit for me. I will now go and order the Rumble cabinet and be a happy official member of the Rumble club.
It is much appreciated.
Bob
Related to the above discussion I just thought it best to mention this thread: High Pass Filter (HPF) and Low Pass Filter (LPF) Mega Thread
Or the wiki: High Pass and Low Pass Filters | TalkBass.com
High Pass Filter could help manage a power mismatch issue. Obviously we should aim to get a cab of high enough power rating first. In any case the subsonic frequencies are an unnecessary strain to the speakers and a power sink. You'll get more audible power from your amp if it does not waste energy.
This just occurred to me when thinking of the blown speakers and of the situation where one replaces a 4 ohm cab with an 8 ohm cab. Will the 8 ohm cab be loud enough? It did not seem to be a concern here but just in case, I might look into an HPF before purchasing another 410 to make an 8x10 at 4 ohms.
Or the wiki: High Pass and Low Pass Filters | TalkBass.com
High Pass Filter could help manage a power mismatch issue. Obviously we should aim to get a cab of high enough power rating first. In any case the subsonic frequencies are an unnecessary strain to the speakers and a power sink. You'll get more audible power from your amp if it does not waste energy.
This just occurred to me when thinking of the blown speakers and of the situation where one replaces a 4 ohm cab with an 8 ohm cab. Will the 8 ohm cab be loud enough? It did not seem to be a concern here but just in case, I might look into an HPF before purchasing another 410 to make an 8x10 at 4 ohms.
I believe I understand the principle of what you are referring to. If it should come to a situation where it is felt a second 8ohm 4x10 cabinet may be required to balance the volume I will have the material you recommended available and follow the instructions and include the High Pass Filter. I will need a bit of time to go over that information and experience the new cabinet to see if there is a noticeable difference in the needed volume.
Thank you for pointing this out as not having experienced this I would have not known to look into this possible issue. I seem to remember that it was recommended I at least become familiar with the possibility if a situation like this did arise. I believe it was G-dog who made the reference last year.
Thank you again it is much appreciated.
Bob
No sir...those two I mentioned are designed for ported cabs.The aluminum frame is a little tight going in but with some slight sanding it drops right in. I did add a Motorola tweeter with crossover and attenuator for the heck of it but it was worth doing that too. Will send pictures later because that amp is at church.
Yes, the Rumble 4x10 can handle that amp.
I'd start with the bass at noon, only boosting it a bit if needed. The low-mid is where your punchiness should be found. Boosting here might make the bass seem louder too as they're frequencies you can hear rather then feel. High-mid is where you'll get your cutting frequencies. So if you want to make your sound more up-front and add an agressive character this is where boosting it is good. Similarly if you want to dull your sound you can cut these frequencies.
Lastly you have treble at noon which is where I leave mine. Typically this is where you find string noise so I don't like to boost it but cutting it means effects, distortion, nuances, and perhaps even your sound all-together can disappear in the mix very easily.
I don't have specific experience with the old V1 100, only the 75. I find them to be dry amps as it is and 15's tend to add dryness to the sound as well. (Though this isn't always the case.) So to a degree you'll have a less exciting sound, for lack of a better word. That's not a bad thing, I find every speaker size brings something to the table it's just something to keep in mind.
Oh! Also just start with the amp at noon and just go from there. Your ears will tell you when they find a tone you like. Then just keep in mind with a band you likely need a lot of extra mids to go with that but on your own you can do whatever. And the mid-scoop switch is for slap, basically. You could use it for anything else but it essentially takes all the fun frequencies away. It works for slap because it's such an aggressive technique and it enhances that, but everything else needs those frequencies.
Embrace the mids! It's a whole different bass world when you bring them forward a bit.
And worst case scenario you could pick up a cheap 10-band EQ pedal and run it right before the amp or in the effects loop (if that amp has one). Theoretically you can make any decent amp make any sound you like so long as you work the proper frequencies, technique, and gear into the equation. So the sound that is bass guitar to you is probably in there somewhere.
Finally got some time today to test out some settings and just wow! You were so right. Lifting the low middle is where I needed to be. Bass super punchy now, really kicks and very good volume. I put some foam under the strings at the back near the bridge and have exactly the sound I have been looking for years now. The Italia I first tried it with seems to have a lot lower output than the HB on the G&L, why I thought volume down a little. But wow. Thanks again so much for your help. Can't wait to try it out with a band
Yes I always have the limiter on since the city out in new electrical meters that are really noisy and my house wiring is really old and crappy. So it pretty much just stays on. Hmmm. Never considered that in the mix. Thank you.Hope you ordered some earplugs too
Was the limiter on?
Bob
That's awesome news! I'm glad you're getting the sound you're going for! Rumble on!
....annnnd just purchased a Rumble 500 combo online. Now the waiting begins.
