Fender Rumble Club

[Gravedigger Dav]

Would the Rumble 200 combo with an extension cab (say 15") be enough for a band? Rock-blues band?

It would depend on the venues and the volume your band plays. For average size clubs and your not a loud band, it would do nicely; however, if you haven't made a purchase yet, you might consider the 500 with an extension.
That will handle a lot more. The 500 is a 2x10 cab, so you might consider a 1x15 extension cab. I really like a 1x15 & 2x10 configuration.

 

[DishDive]

Would the Rumble 200 combo with an extension cab (say 15") be enough for a band? Rock-blues band?

I've played the R200c with the V3 112 xtra cab with a fairly loud rock band and it works fine. I've been curious for years about how much louder the 500c is. I got one about a month ago that I pair with the 112. Honestly, I can't really tell the difference between the 200/500. They're both set about the same, noon on both Gain & Volume. Maybe if I needed more, the 500 has it on tap. But so far, they're about the same. The added speaker really helps fill out the sound. Also, if I had the 210 instead of the 112 It might be even better. But for my needs it seems to be enough.

 

[jwilson67]

Has anyone removed the speakers from the 800 combo yet to see exactly which neo speakers they're using?

 

[G-Dog]

... ... I contacted Eminence and they said they'd need the OEM part # of the speaker to even begin to help me out. ... ...

... I respectfully submit that the Fender OEM speakers may be somewhat different from the speakers Eminence manufactures and sells to the public. Many Rumblers seeking identical replacement speakers have spoken to Eminence representatives and always seem to be directed to their "nearest matching" product. They are contractually prevented from selling, or publishing the specs of, the OEM products. Whether the actual differences are big or small is anyone's guess, but either way, those published specs and graphs from Eminence should not be taken as being for the actual Fender OEM speakers.

Has anyone removed the speakers from the 800 combo yet to see exactly which neo speakers they're using?

A. IME, only Fender Authorized Service Centers can get OEM parts.
2. I don’t think 7ender uses off the shelf speakers.
iii. Especially when their specs include the term "Custom-Designed".

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[SoulReflection]

iii. Especially when their specs include the term "Custom-Designed".

"Custom-Designed" = "Proprietary" = "Contractually Sworn to Secrecy" = "Who Knows"!

 

[Ottertail]

"Custom-Designed" = "Proprietary" = "Contractually Sworn to Secrecy" = "Who Knows"!

= in some way less expensive than the similar ones available to everyone else. For better or for worse.

 

[MadJack]

= in some way less expensive than the similar ones available to everyone else. For better or for worse.

Also made in China closer to the Asia/Pacific manufacturing plants.

 

[SoulReflection]

"Custom-Designed" = "Proprietary" = "Contractually Sworn to Secrecy" = "Who Knows"!

If you have one that fails while still under warranty and shipping is not too expensive, do the warranty. Otherwise, I would compare the cost of Factory with self repair. Self repair could be less costly with Eminence's best speaker...chance are that Fender did not choose the best one in the first place .

 

[G-Dog]

Actually, if you were to delve deeper into the way speakers are rated (specifically by Eminence), you might find that Eminence provides a "nominal" power rating that's not necessarily very close (or even reasonably close) to being accurate. It's up to the manufacturer of the end product to do their own testing to determine the actual power handling that they feel comfortable with for their specific application. Generally, I find that the ratings are higher than the real world results, especially when a HPF is incorporated into the amp, but in the case of the Fender driver being used, the testing that they do is pretty conservative compared with most. ... ... ...

The number on the part doesn't matter, it's a very nominal number. It's how the manufacturer applies the part that matters. For example, integrating an effective HPF into the combo might double the effective speaker's power handling. ... ... ... Understand that in the case of the Fender part, I know more than most about how Fender tests their products and IME they are both honest and conservative.

... .... Self repair could be less costly with Eminence's best speaker...chance are that Fender did not choose the best one in the first place .

Say whut, Souly? I don’t think 7ender just "chooses" a previously Custom-Designed speaker instead of spec'ing it out themselves, and honestly & conservatively testing it themselves, as the elder equine says above. Some companies may actually sell things "designed" by marketing majors who just pick the parts descriptions they think will sell best. (Dell Computers actually started that way, according to its founder!) But that's not what we're talking about here.
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[SoulReflection]

Some companies may actually sell things "designed" by marketing majors who just pick the parts descriptions they think will sell best?

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[Ottertail]

I’ll give the designers the benefit of the doubt, but then the bean counters get ahold of things and start wringing out X cents per unit… we suffer as a result.

 

[MadJack]

Eminence's OEM division has hundreds, if not a thousand+ designs available. These designs aren't available for retail sale, only bulk/wholesale for OEM manufacturers. A manufacturer provides specs for a speaker and Eminence give them a few likely choices, in different price ranges. The manufacturer will choose what fits specs and/or budget. Fender likes to use the Eminence name in the ad copy for more sales, but you're not likely to get the retail models, except in special circumstances.

 

[Ottertail]

It’s been an odd learning experience for me; in guitar amps, folks speak highly of Jensen speakers. In car audio, Jensen was a dirty word. But I’ve never seen Rockford Fosgate speakers mentioned in guitar amp discussions. Likewise, ‘Eminence’ is just another name I don’t know anything about. I assumed I’d see some familiar subwoofer names in the bass amp discussions but I haven’t. Different worlds I guess.

 

[agedhorse]

Actually, in the case of Fender and other company's brands that I have designed for, we will generally start looking at specific target performance parameters to filter what approaches are likely to be better candidates so that we can focus our efforts on driver designs that are likely to meet our needs. Cost is not generally considered (within reason of course) when initially developing a speaker. Then, we will look if there are any existing designs that are close, with a little luck we may have a driver in our sample inventory that wasn't "perfect" for a previous project but deserves another look. We might also take a design that is close and tweak it for a particular application, but it's not too often that we are able to use a truly off the shelf stock part.

In the case of the drivers used in the higher powered Rumble amps, these were based on drivers previously used by one of their brands, with known performance and reliability parameters. It's less risky this way, as well as working with a more common, unified theme. The same applies to the Bassman Pro neos, as well as some of the SWR speakers used with the GoLite cabinets. This is where the economies of scale benefit comes from acquiring multiple brands, unfortunately those brands are no longer in production.

I have found that Fender in general makes pretty good choices for their speakers, and prioritize the quality over simply the lowest cost. It's tough to beat them at their own game by replacing a speaker with something pulled from off the shelf unless spending quite a bit more money than the replacement.

 

[jwilson67]

Actually, in the case of Fender and other company's brands that I have designed for, we will generally start looking at specific target performance parameters to filter what approaches are likely to be better candidates so that we can focus our efforts on driver designs that are likely to meet our needs. Cost is not generally considered (within reason of course) when initially developing a speaker. Then, we will look if there are any existing designs that are close, with a little luck we may have a driver in our sample inventory that wasn't "perfect" for a previous project but deserves another look. We might also take a design that is close and tweak it for a particular application, but it's not too often that we are able to use a truly off the shelf stock part.

In the case of the drivers used in the higher powered Rumble amps, these were based on drivers previously used by one of their brands, with known performance and reliability parameters. It's less risky this way, as well as working with a more common, unified theme. The same applies to the Bassman Pro neos, as well as some of the SWR speakers used with the GoLite cabinets. This is where the economies of scale benefit comes from acquiring multiple brands, unfortunately those brands are no longer in production.

I have found that Fender in general makes pretty good choices for their speakers, and prioritize the quality over simply the lowest cost. It's tough to beat them at their own game by replacing a speaker with something pulled from off the shelf unless spending quite a bit more money than the replacement.

I have absolutely no reason to replace the speakers on my Stage 800 other than to shave another 10lbs off the weight. Sonically it puts out far more sound than a 2x10 combo has a right to.

 

[agedhorse]

Saving 10 lbs on a 210 with a driver change is going to harder than you think.

 

[LoveJackBruce]

I'd love to save 10 lbs on any cabinet or combo. Not that I move them anymore
But if I did, I'd pay $300ish to do it.
But I'd except -7 lbs

 

[G-Dog]

 

[LoveJackBruce]

You've got to be kitting.

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[G-Dog]

You've got to be kitting.

I ain't kitten!
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