Fender Rumble Club

[Gravedigger Dav]

What would be the solution? I'm moving soon and not sure what to look out for

Well, this was mostly a guess, but try moving the amp to another room.
Does it do it at all volume levels?
And of course, try a different bass, a different chord, plug it into an outlet in another room.
Has it ever sounded good and started sounding bad or is this a new thing?
How loud do you play it? Could the speaker be going out?
How old is the amp? I don't know that the current series (v3) included a 30. I know there is a 15, a 25, a 40, and so on.

 

[DerekW]

Definitely sounding like a bad guitar cable or perhaps a loose solder in the bass's electronics vs an amp issue.

 

[Big Hoss]

You gotta share the settings, please.

Vintage, Bright, Contour off.
EQ flat.

Gain at about 35% Main at about 75%, Passive Jazz bass both Pickups at about 90% with the tone rolled all the way on.

I did not have the 210 cab connected, just the combo. It shook the whole house. My wife was laughing her *#$% off at the racoons but it was so loud I couldn't hear her...

 

[Linnin]

I don't know that the current series (v3) included a 30

It's a V2 kickback 1x10 combo.

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

Vintage, Bright, Contour off.
EQ flat.

Gain at about 35% Main at about 75%, Passive Jazz bass both Pickups at about 90% with the tone rolled all the way on.

I did not have the 210 cab connected, just the combo. It shook the whole house. My wife was laughing her *#$% off at the racoons but it was so loud I couldn't hear her...

This is interesting. I had read somewhere that to get the best sound from a Rumble v3 you should keep the volume down as far as possible and use the gain up to get the volume, but that is not what you and several others are saying. I've been gigging mine with no extention cab with volume on 30% and gain at about 35-40%. And this worked well in a large room (800 capacity) with 2 guitars and drums and no instruments in the FOH. EQ depends on the bass I'm using at the moment.
I just can't get over how loud these tiny little monsters are.

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

I have a question.
If I want to use my Line 6 Basspod, should I plug it into the effects return or in the regular input?

 

[Linnin]

I have a question.
If I want to use my Line 6 Basspod, should I plug it into the effects return or in the regular input?

It depends how clean or noisy it is. If it's clean feed it with the effects send and run it back to the amp on the return. Plug your bass into the amp and get your best tone. Then kick in whatever effects you want when you need them. Set levels for unity gain.

 

[Linnin]

Gain at about 35% Main at about 75%

This is correct! Get your master volume UP and make use of all the headroom your amp has to offer. Then add Gain to taste. Proper gain structure is essential to good tone and sound quality.

 

[Big Hoss]

This is correct! Get your master volume UP and make use of all the headroom your amp has to offer. Then add Gain to taste. Proper gain structure is essential to good tone and sound quality.

I can push the gain harder than that and still sound great, however with the main at that level, even with the gain as low as it was, everything was shaking.... I am pretty sure I was making the neighbors think we were having an earthquake...

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

It depends how clean or noisy it is. If it's clean feed it with the effects send and run it back to the amp on the return. Plug your bass into the amp and get your best tone. Then kick in whatever effects you want when you need them. Set levels for unity gain.

So you are saying run this:
Bass --> Amp Input
Eff Send --> Input to Basspod
Basspod output --> Eff Return
Why would that be better than:
Bass --> Basspod --> Amp Input

Thanks for responding.

 

[Linnin]

I can push the gain harder than that and still sound great, however with the main at that level, even with the gain as low as it was, everything was shaking.... I am pretty sure I was making the neighbors think we were having an earthquake...

Yes, but that is the whole point as that's where the power and head room reside. About 2/3rds to 3/4ers on the master is where all the clean continuous watts are. Remember, you paid for 'em.

 

[Linnin]

So you are saying run this:
Bass --> Amp Input
Eff Send --> Input to Basspod
Basspod output --> Eff Return
Why would that be better than:
Bass --> Basspod --> Amp Input

Thanks for responding.

Yes that is much better for the cleanliness and integrity of your bass signal and also for your best overall gain structure. Set for unity gain you are as loud with your effects off as you are with them on. Plus you feed your effects with a nicely pre-amplified tone shaped signal that in turn makes your effects more effective.
If you had a bunch of little noisy stompboxes, then you would go Bass -> stompboxes -> Amp. While not impossible to set unity gain, it is much more difficult. If your multi-effects unit doesn't like the pre-amped signal, then this would be the way to go. Trial and Error

 

[Big Hoss]

Linin,

Can you double check me on this thought?

Let's say I want to make certain my signal is as clean as possible.

I take a cable from the effects send, to the input side of the Zoom B3, and another cable from the output of the Zoom B3 back into the effects return.

So let's say for a second, I want to use the tuner function, does it mute the entire signal while I am tuning with it connected this way? And I assume I would then need 3 cables, a cable to connect from instrument to amp input, a cable to connect from effect send to effects, and a cable to connect from effects to effect return.

Does this look right?

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

Yes that is much better for the cleanliness and integrity of your bass signal and also for your best overall gain structure. Set for unity gain you are as loud with your effects off as you are with them on. Plus you feed your effects with a nicely pre-amplified tone shaped signal that in turn makes your effects more effective.
If you had a bunch of little noisy stompboxes, then you would go Bass -> stompboxes -> Amp. While not impossible to set unity gain, it is much more difficult. If your multi-effects unit doesn't like the pre-amped signal, then this would be the way to go. Trial and Error

Thanks for the input. I'll give it a try. The bass pod has a master output volume control, but no input control.
Now, pardon my ignorance, but please define unity gain.

 

[Big Hoss]

And you explained what I was asking as I was typing, except for the muting during tuning...

Will it mute when using the tuner in the effects loop?

 

[Linnin]

please define unity gain

This can be a real Pandora's Box, but essentially what you want is your raw uneffected bass signal to be the same volume out of the amp whether or not any effects are used. Say you're crusin' along just fine clean, but now you want some chorus for some high chords or riff. When you kick the chorus in your overall volume is the same. You do not want to cut or boost volume when you kick in an effect. This is especially true of distortion of any kind. The concept of gain structure as a whole and unity gain as a goal isn't that difficult to grasp, but is much easier said than done. Trial & Error.

 

[Linnin]

And you explained what I was asking as I was typing, except for the muting during tuning...

Will it mute when using the tuner in the effects loop?

Now this all depends on the tuner in question. I use a Boss TU-3 stompbox inline with my bass -> tuner -> amp, and yes it will mute if I connect it that way. If you complete the effects send/return circuit then, yes, it will mute. If I were using the effects send only as a tuner out, no it will not mute as the circuit is incomplete.

 

[Scott Truesdell]

So what are the best pest control tone settings?

You gotta share the settings, please.

OK you clowns, follow the protocol!!

"TONE POOL"

Get with the program!

 

[Linnin]

Linin,

Can you double check me on this thought?

Let's say I want to make certain my signal is as clean as possible.

I take a cable from the effects send, to the input side of the Zoom B3, and another cable from the output of the Zoom B3 back into the effects return.

So let's say for a second, I want to use the tuner function, does it mute the entire signal while I am tuning with it connected this way? And I assume I would then need 3 cables, a cable to connect from instrument to amp input, a cable to connect from effect send to effects, and a cable to connect from effects to effect return.

Does this look right?

I had to go hook up my ZOOM B3 and test it out. No, it does not mute when tuning at all.

 

[Big Hoss]

I had to go hook up my ZOOM B3 and test it out. No, it does not mute when tuning at all.

Blarg.

It mutes when inline with the bass to the input. Was hoping that the effects loop would keep that behavior.