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Fender Rumble Club

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ODDBALL said:
Ahhh..... I have been thinking the same thing.

Now one question. Aren't you going to under power the 410? Is that bad?

Shaun
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From my extensive research here on the TB forums and the Fender site, I've learned that the 500 watt v3 combo will deliver 350 watts to the internal 210s (175 watts each) on its own. When adding the v3 410 extension cab, 250 watts will go to the 210 internal (125 watts each) and 250 watts will go to the extension cabinet (62.5 watts each in the case of the 410) to make 500 watts total. All this is in spec with Fenders design which has been validated and tested by Fender engineering and should not cause any issues.

This would also apply to the 500 watt v3 head. 350 watts to a single cabinet (either 410 or 115), and 250 watts to each cabinet when using dual cabinets.
 
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ODDBALL said:
Ahhh..... I have been thinking the same thing.

Now one question. Aren't you going to under power the 410? Is that bad?

Shaun
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Just to add to what Neogeek has correctly stated, there is no such thing as under powering your speakers. It is a viscious myth that somehow persists eventhough it is covered in the stickied thread at the top of the amps forum. The Rumble 500 head very easily drives a pair of V3 Rumble 410 cabs without breaking a sweat. Plenty of headroom and volume to spare. Rumble Club member tedsalt has a 500 driving a pair of Fender Bassman Pro 410 Neo cabs. He has reported great things.
 
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Linnin said:
Just to add to what Neogeek has correctly stated, there is no such thing as under powering your speakers. It is a viscious myth that somehow persists eventhough it is covered in the stickied thread at the top of the amps forum. The Rumble 500 head very easily drives a pair of V3 Rumble 410 cabs without breaking a sweat. Plenty of headroom and volume to spare. Rumble Club member tedsalt has a 500 driving a pair of Fender Bassman Pro 410 Neo cabs. He has reported great things.
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I guess what people seem to get concerned about is, now it's 250watts to two speakers, then 250 watts to 4 speakers, so the 210 is working harder.
However, I guess as the 210 is already set up to take 350 watts, it will handle it.

Curious though, would the actual db's coming out of one of the 210 speakers be double of what is coming out of one of the 410 speakers?
I assume total volume from each cab will balance as they are getting the same wattage in the end.
Just trying to wrap my head around it.
 
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DerekW said:
I guess what people seem to get concerned about is, now it's 250watts to two speakers, then 250 watts to 4 speakers, so the 210 is working harder.
However, I guess as the 210 is already set up to take 350 watts, it will handle it.

Curious though, would the actual db's coming out of one of the 210 speakers be double of what is coming out of one of the 410 speakers?
I assume total volume from each cab will balance as they are getting the same wattage in the end.
Just trying to wrap my head around it.
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People tend to over analyze and get too scientific. Let's adjust your Rumble 500 combo's volume to put out say 111 dbs. Each 10 is moving the same amount of air. OK? You plug in the V3 Rumble 410. Just forget about the watts. You adjust your rig's total volume to put out the very same 111 dbs, but now you're moving 6 x 10 worth of air. Psychoacoustically you and everyone else (espesailly the club manager and your guitarist) think you are much louder, but you're not actually any louder at all. You are, however, moving 200% more air and enjoy much greater dispersion to boot. Plus your combo is now three feet closer to your ear and now you can hear yourself much better too. Resist the scientific Western mindset to break down and categorize. Instead think of your total sound & tone holistically. Not only as to how good you sound, but how you sit in the mix and the band's total sonic interaction & interdependence upon one another. 42?
 
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Linnin said:
People tend to over analyze and get too scientific. Let's adjust your Rumble 500 combo's volume to put out say 111 dbs. Each 10 is moving the same amount of air. OK? You plug in the V3 Rumble 410. Just forget about the watts. You adjust your rig's total volume to put out the very same 111 dbs, but now you're moving 6 x 10 worth of air. Psychoacoustically you and everyone else (espesailly the club manager and your guitarist) think you are much louder, but you're not actually any louder at all. You are, however, moving 200% more air and enjoy much greater dispersion to boot. Plus your combo is now three feet closer to your ear and now you can hear yourself much better too. Resist the scientific Western mindset to break down and categorize. Instead think of your total sound & tone holistically. Not only as to how good you sound, but how you sit in the mix and the band's total sonic interaction & interdependence upon one another. 42?
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Its hard to think this way when I have read differently.

Shaun
 
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Neogeek said:
From my extensive research here on the TB forums and the Fender site, I've learned that the 500 watt v3 combo will deliver 350 watts to the internal 210s (175 watts each) on its own. When adding the v3 410 extension cab, 250 watts will go to the 210 internal (125 watts each) and 250 watts will go to the extension cabinet (62.5 watts each in the case of the 410) to make 500 watts total. All this is in spec with Fenders design which has been validated and tested by Fender engineering and should not cause any issues.

This would also apply to the 500 watt v3 head. 350 watts to a single cabinet (either 410 or 115), and 250 watts to each cabinet when using dual cabinets.
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I was just going to ask about that!!! Thank you...

Just today saw the new Ruble line that finally arrived at my local music store in Lima/Peru. I was shocked about how great this combos sound, I tested the Rumble 100 (1x12); Rumble 200 (1x15) and Rumble 15 (2x10), all of them sounded nice and loud. I was specially impressed by the tone I got on the Rumble 100 and the amazingly loud that the Rumble 500 paired with a 115 extension cab can get.

I'm leaning on the 100 because that's maybe more than all the power I need for my coffee shop project and as monitor on my church, as I'm always on PA there. The 100 is not that more expensive than in the US, retailing at $390.00; but I'm a long time customer of the store so I can get it with a 15% discount for $330.00. The 200 would be ideal because of the extension option, but I like the tone of the 12" speaker better that the 15", and it is a bit more expensive retailing at $640.00, $545.00 with the 15% discount. The 500 is amazing, but is way out of my budget...
 
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ODDBALL said:
Its hard to think this way when I have read differently.

Shaun
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It doesn't matter what you've read, or how you've been brought up, or taught. One must learn to think holistically. It's art, baby. Playing bass is an art. Your tone is an artist's pallette. It's not science. As a Bass Player you are an artist, and not a scientist. Ditch the science, and think; live, breathe artistically. Then great bass tone will be yours!
 
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I just ordered the 100, my second Rumble amp. I've toyed with a few at Guitar Center and so far they've been amazing. I'm hoping to put it through a PA for my next gig with good sound. Fender really outdid themselves with great quality and prices here. I can't wait to get mine in the mail!
 
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