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Finally...why am i not happy?

After 3 years of a revolving door of drummers and singers, we have finally put together a very talented cover band. New singer is a PR machine and knows all the contact people at venues and has got us a bunch of gigs set up already. Played our first and people were really complimentary.

Still...im not all that happy. It was great to gig again after COVID and I look forward to the others on the schedule, but its starting to feel like we are becoming the singers backup band. Me and guitarist kept this going for almost 3 years and truth be told, him and I have had several disagreements over that time. He can be difficult at times to work with and Im not even sure how i got this far in a band with him. We get along most of the time but he has surgically attached his lips to the singer buttocks since he can get gigs and hes a good singer. Drummer is new to the cover band world so he generally goes along with consensus.

I just see the singer slowly taking everything over with the guitarist in tow and Im not loving it. Im trying to be a team player so I have put in my opinions in a constructive way when I thought appropriate, but singer is a bit of a know it all when it comes to bands. Ive been playing and in bands longer than hes been alive and I dont agree with alot of his direction. I dont need or want to be in charge, but I have alot of experience to draw from, but its feeling like "singer knows best".

I plan on playing the rest of the gigs for sure, but it just stinks that we have a great band but Im not happy. Anyone else experience this?
Haha, you are always going to be the singer's band. The frontman, is the front man. Singers are the ones everybody is watching. The singer is usually the only one in the band that doesn't play an instrument. But, they're still in the band. Why or how is that? ...because it's their band. Plain and simple. You are all the singer's band. Every single time. Every single band. Get used to it, or don't have a singer. But then, you'd either be the guitarists band, or the pianists band. Get used to it.
 
The OP is not the frontman and doesn’t acquire gigs. He is just a bass player, and we all know that the audience don’t care too much about the bass guy. So, what is the problem? If OP wants more, he needs to do more than playing the darn bass.
I do! i only play keys too (with hands and feet via midi pedals), sing backup, run the live sound, design all graphics/promotional material including FB and website, edit all the videos and multitrack audio from gigs (not every gig) and uh...got recurring gigs at several venues before COVID/new singer came in, but...thats it. Womp wahhhh

Anywhoo...thanks for all the responses. We will see how things work out going forward.
 
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you got two options.. tell him straight.. or get use to being the side man.. I was the bassist- lead singer.. and band leader.. in an originals band.. and that's a lot of work.. in my opinion a covers act is different but a bit easier.. as you don't have to create the music.. so honestly as long as you are making money.. y'all so close musically.. and you got gigs.. it's kinda silly to treat it as anything other then an ends to a means... so have some fun.. and make that lead singer your new best drinking buddy.. cause he's making your job a bit easier
 
Haha, you are always going to be the singer's band. The frontman, is the front man. Singers are the ones everybody is watching. The singer is usually the only one in the band that doesn't play an instrument. But, they're still in the band. Why or how is that? ...because it's their band. Plain and simple. You are all the singer's band. Every single time. Every single band. Get used to it, or don't have a singer. But then, you'd either be the guitarists band, or the pianists band. Get used to it.
The cold awful truth!
 
After 3 years of a revolving door of drummers and singers, we have finally put together a very talented cover band. New singer is a PR machine and knows all the contact people at venues and has got us a bunch of gigs set up already. Played our first and people were really complimentary.

Still...im not all that happy. It was great to gig again after COVID and I look forward to the others on the schedule, but its starting to feel like we are becoming the singers backup band. Me and guitarist kept this going for almost 3 years and truth be told, him and I have had several disagreements over that time. He can be difficult at times to work with and Im not even sure how i got this far in a band with him. We get along most of the time but he has surgically attached his lips to the singer buttocks since he can get gigs and hes a good singer. Drummer is new to the cover band world so he generally goes along with consensus.

I just see the singer slowly taking everything over with the guitarist in tow and Im not loving it. Im trying to be a team player so I have put in my opinions in a constructive way when I thought appropriate, but singer is a bit of a know it all when it comes to bands. Ive been playing and in bands longer than hes been alive and I dont agree with alot of his direction. I dont need or want to be in charge, but I have alot of experience to draw from, but its feeling like "singer knows best".

I plan on playing the rest of the gigs for sure, but it just stinks that we have a great band but Im not happy. Anyone else experience this?

Why don't you just establish a weekly band meeting?

Get together. Make a list of goals for the band. Then, make tasks to accomplish those goals. Dole them out accordingly. There may be some mishaps and headbutts, but it'll be constructive. This way, you can talk about marketing, gigs, setlists, everything. And it's good to remember, you're on the same side. (Don't be the crotchety old guy wringing his hands because the "young'uns" aren't letting him lead with his "wisdom", because that is played out.) Meeting face-to-face if possible and voicing thoughts and methodologies usually helps people ally with each other. Doing meetings like this outside of practice time can be really constructive, in my experience.

Of note....if things are starting to go gangbusters and you are the only one wanting to pump the brakes because of feelings, but you also aren't willing to step up and take charge, then you may be the problem. Sorry to be direct, but it's a possibility that you should consider. However - this can again be solved by team meetings outside of music practice.

Good luck. Take some sort of constructive action outside of Talkbass. (No disrespect. But venting on Talkbass is rarely a helpful or constructive action.)
 
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Sometimes a new person (LS) can make or break a band. I have been in very good bands, and some "not so rewarding" projects with different lead singers due to the dynamics of the band (which sounds like your situation).

I'm happier, more than ever now, with my current situation. My wife is the lead singer, me on bass, best friend on guitar and cousin on drums. I do all the booking and own the PA. I also "front" the band...my wife is a great vocalist but has never been comfortable talking to the audience. We split all money from gigs evenly...the drummer hauls the equipment and we practice at the guitarist's home. Everyone has a say in song selections to be learned. I make up the set lists based on the gig (we have 150 songs to choose from) and may "call an audible" for certain events. We play 2-6 nights per month and nothing later than 11 p.m. We are all in our 50's and 60's...retired and want NO band drama. It took a long time to get here, but sure glad we kept going!
 
he has surgically attached his lips to the singer buttocks since he can get gigs and hes a good singer.
Frankly, despite it feeling like it's all slip slip slipping away which can really grate, with a singer like that, *I* would be next in line with lips pursed. Booking gigs is by *far* the hardest and most thankless task in any band I've been in. If you can teach your singer how to lug and set up a mic stand then you are GOLD

its feeling like "singer knows best".
If he's booking gigs, then he *does* know best IMO. Particularly in the current climate where I live. If you want to show him who's boss, start flogging the phones, hustling at bars, prepping emails and book a ton of shows yourself.

Anyone else experience this?
Yes, I've experienced almost exactly your situation. And it felt like "my" band wasn't my band any more. Cause it wasn't. And unless you're paying the wages, it never was. Anyway, I got over my unease a little more with each gig I invoiced.

But it's up to you - bottom line, ask yourself why you're in the band. Dig deep and soul search if you have to. If you're there to play and gig, well you have your answer. If you're there for the invoices, again, you have your answer. If you're there to be respected, listened to and have a say and musically express yourself, well again, there you have your answer, albeit a different one.

Good luck and I hope it works out better than you think it will
 
There can be such a thing as a singer who's not worth dealing with. I don't know if this situation really fits that bill, though. It sounds like you're feeling territorial, which is understandable, but don't get too stuck on it.

On an instrument, you can always play higher up the neck, but the singer has physical constraints to what notes they can hit, what songs work for their voice tonally, and for that matter how their voice may need to warm up into the gig or how they need to pace it to last the full night. I've sung lead (badly) and strained my throat halfway through a gig, and the rest of the night was... not pretty. So stuff like song selection and set list, as others have said, you do want the input of all band members to count, but it's inevitable that the singer is going to be in the driver's seat there.

Likewise, no matter how much everyone else contributes, the rest of the world will see the singer as the front person that they identify the band by. I've been very happy with most of the singers I've played with over the years and always felt I had a say, but Wipt was Jeannie's band, Mugshot Monday is Nikki's (even though I'm the one who came up with the name!), etc. Six Cowards was MY band... because I did 2/3 of the singing (and other reasons, but that was a necessary piece of it).

I guess another way to look at it would be, what are the prospects of finding another available singer in your market who would meet your needs for a singer WITHOUT triggering these tensions? Unless you're going to be an instrumental act, you'll need someone to sing, and it doesn't sound like you've had your pick of the litter. Sometimes it's a matter of working with the reality of what you've got.
 
Not much to add that hasn't been said, but this sounds like a mismatch in expectations. You all need to get on the same page as to who does what and what needs to get done. A discussion about this will likely glean some new insights. Also, it sounds like you are going in a positive direction, which is fantastic.

I will say that personally, I dislike being in "democratic" bands. The concept sounds great but after a certain point, decisions need to be made without consulting every single member for their potentially useless input. I abhor band management, PR, whatever isn't related to the sound of me playing bass so whatever group I'm a part of I make sure that my roles and responsibilities are clearly defined.
 
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Haha, you are always going to be the singer's band. The frontman, is the front man. Singers are the ones everybody is watching. The singer is usually the only one in the band that doesn't play an instrument. But, they're still in the band. Why or how is that? ...because it's their band. Plain and simple. You are all the singer's band. Every single time. Every single band. Get used to it, or don't have a singer. But then, you'd either be the guitarists band, or the pianists band. Get used to it.

This is what makes me glad that I'm in three original projects, wherein everyone contributes equally, there are no egomaniacs and no one has ever thought that it's the singer's band. I suppose that is unusual. The above seems more like an old-school classic rock originals, or covers way of thinking...or perhaps I'm just really lucky.

Genre also helps. One band I'm in, is prog/fusion originals and in that style, every member counts, and people actually do pay attention to the bass player, lol. So, I had better not suck, on fretless, haha.
 
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ah yes. you are experiencing an example of Lead Singer Syndrome....I hate that.

so the new LSS is very good, getting gigs, but as they often do, is trying to take over.

so what do you do ? If you don't have at least half the other members on your side, you're stuck. Either love the new way of doing things or move on. If you have at least 2 other members, you get together and discuss what to do. if you lose this good singer (or fire him), you're going to lose a good singer and the contacts and gigs that came with him. then you roll the dice trying to find someone similar who isn't on a power trip and act like the rest of you guys are just his employees. dilemma.

ball is in your court. standing alone and yelling "IT'S NOT FAIR!" will get you nowhere but fired