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Firing/Hiring Keyboards - Why so Painful?

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The main band I am in has had keyboard player problems ever since I joined them. The first keyboard player didn't do any homework, just looked at chord charts and played changes. He was good at certain things, but very limited. Didn't like to solo, didn't know his way around a B3 sound- at all. After several talks with him nothing got better, and he eventually decided to quit so that he could focus on his solo career, which is his comfort zone.

Enter keyboardist #2, who I invited to check us out. I play in another band with her. She's a much better player, kills the solos on the piano and organ stuff, but now that she's with us it's clear that she's also primarily interested in skating by with chord charts and doesn't want to do any homework between rehearsals to learn signature parts of songs. We need someone who can be versatile, do horn parts where needed and at least learn the important glissandos and changes that give a song its flavor. Playing your chops on the 2 and 4 in the wrong octave when they're supposed to be on the 1 and 3 isn't going to work in this band; we know what the music is supposed to sound like. We're not asking for you to play it note-for-note, just pick up on the key things that are important. Is it too much to expect a band member to actually listen to the covers we're playing to learn how they're played? Apparently it is.

She has also bailed on a few rehearsals at the last minute. She's retired and very busy with life, and last night her reason was "too busy with other stuff and getting ready for her holiday vacation." So when the rest of us got together last night I figured that, since I'm in another band with her, it was my responsibility to bring up the problems and I told them I don't think it's going to work out.

Everyone agreed, and we're going to play the January gig we have on our books with the old keyboard player, who at least knows our original material and most of the covers we know and texted us that he's willing to do it. I have to talk to the new keyboardist and tell her that it isn't working out. She's on her way to her vacation and I'm not going to ruin her trip but I'll have to do it once she gets back. It's a bit awkward because of the other band, but I'm not married to those guys and their original bass player would like back in so I've been thinking of leaving that band anyway. I sense she might actually be relieved because this band might be more pressure than she was expecting.

In the meantime, I have put an ad up on Craigslist hoping that we can recruit someone who's actually willing to do more than just read chord charts. I've spelled out pretty much all the requirements in a nice way. So far, no responses and the last time we were looking we also heard from no one.

Why is it so difficult? I don't understand. For me, part of the fun of being a musician is learning new things. I enjoy doing my homework. I know good keyboard players are hard to come by but there's got to be somebody out there who's looking to have a little musical fun. Right?
 
I think it is rare to find good keyboardist for a number of reasons:

1. Many of the keyboardists out there are either solo players or accompanists - they are not used to bands.
2. Keyboards are both expensive, and fall out of favor quickly. I'm playing the same bass that I bought over 30 years ago. In the same time, keyboards have gone from a room full of dials, connectors, and patch cords to analog synths to early digital where even getting something close to a piano sound was a dream to sampling synths - and each had about three generations.
3. Pretty much every rock band has drums, guitar, and bass - a lot of bands do not use keyboards, so there just are not as many of them out there.
 
I just put up another ad for Guitar, keys or multi-instrumentalist. I think a lot of what we're looking for from keys are accents. I'd love to hear some killer B3 stuff on some of our songs, but a second guitarist who can solo well would work. A guitarist who also has a keyboard set up in front of him and can do some horn parts on that would also work. If I didn't have to play constantly, I'd gladly do the horn parts myself.
 
I just put up another ad for Guitar, keys or multi-instrumentalist. I think a lot of what we're looking for from keys are accents. I'd love to hear some killer B3 stuff on some of our songs, but a second guitarist who can solo well would work. A guitarist who also has a keyboard set up in front of him and can do some horn parts on that would also work. If I didn't have to play constantly, I'd gladly do the horn parts myself.
How about backing tracks? Or a sax player who doubles?
 
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Backing tracks probably wouldn't fly with this bunch, but we have discussed bringing in a real horn player once we get the keys sorted out. I should probably add that to the description of multi-instrumentalist in that second ad.
 
Good rock and roll keys are just not common. Most people seriously playing piano tend to lean towards classical or solo playing, and some jazz. These are also all styles that don't make much use of the various keyboard sounds outside of just piano. Playing organ is an art of its own, and a regular piano player won't be able to make it sound right. Same with synths.

My locale has very few players who possess all these skills, but they do exist.
 
Multi-instrumentalist can mean a lot of things. Some are great with several instruments (and have their equipment) - some "can play keys", but do not have a good setup. You need someone who has good keyboard equipment.

Yep, that's something I think we can sort out in emails if I get any ad responses. I'm already asking for a lot. Rehearse once a week, do your homework, have good gear and transport, be reliable, and fit in with the sort of music we do, which is really variable in terms of influence. Plus, you need to be comfortable with a bunch of people in thier 40's and 50's. I don't want to drive too many people away by being too nit-picky right up front. Let's see what, if anything, is out there.
 
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Yep, that's something I think we can sort out in emails if I get any ad responses. I'm already asking for a lot. Rehearse once a week, do your homework, have good gear and transport, be reliable, and fit in with the sort of music we do, which is really variable in terms of influence. Plus, you need to be comfortable with a bunch of people in thier 40's and 50's. I don't want to drive too many people away by being too nit-picky right up front. Let's see what, if anything, is out there.
If you're not nit-picky, then you'll be picking nits later. Just sayin'.
 
If you're not nit-picky, then you'll be picking nits later. Just sayin'.

There's a difference between nit-picking and micromanaging. There's a small talent pool here. I don't want to eliminate good possibilities because we sound like we're too rigid. Specifying what kind of gear someone should have would seriously turn me off if I were looking. Someone who doesn't have pro-level gear will probably not answer the ad due to other requirements, likely the one that says above-average ability is required.
 
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Most keys players I have worked with were taught on sheet music. So straying away from that gets them out of their comfort zone.

Most musicians in general have a harder time knowing what NOT to play than knowing what to play.

Good luck with your hunt.

I thought this too. Oddly enough, I handed both of these keyboard players some sheet music for a song I wrote that has some unusual chord voicings. Player 1 had no clue what to do with it and kept insisting that the sheet music (from Logic Pro) was wrong because the chords weren't your standard major, minor, major 7 etc. Player 2 didn't like it, but slowly picked out the correct chords and didn't tell me they were wrong. Neither one was able to just sit down with the music and play it.
 
Good rock and roll keys are just not common. Most people seriously playing piano tend to lean towards classical or solo playing, and some jazz. These are also all styles that don't make much use of the various keyboard sounds outside of just piano. Playing organ is an art of its own, and a regular piano player won't be able to make it sound right. Same with synths.

My locale has very few players who possess all these skills, but they do exist.


Very true. Think of “the band”. two keyboard players: organ and piano and both were multi instrumentalists. Richard Manuel could really bang out rock n roll piano. Hardly anybody can bang the out of a piano anymore
 
I would like to throw in my shiny copper in on this conversation.

I am a multi instrumentalist but foremost a bass player. I have one band in which I play bass and another in which I alternate between a Hammond, Guitar, and Congas.
I would agree that key players that are interested in playing rock or in a band situation are few and far between. Most are solos and or duos. Especially someone like myself that plays an organ out of a worship setting. (I live in Alexandria, La. Small metropolitan area). Most people who play keys are purist and like discussed before, aren't interested in playing and devoting time to rock music.
With that being said, yes it is hard to find keys but, I believe the bigger issue is; (and I've experienced this in bands) once one founding member leaves for whatever reason, whoever comes up in their place most likely will not have the same devotion that say a day-one minute-one member would have.(sorry for the run-on). Be it guitar, vox.. but particularly keys due to the lack of desire to play rock n roll music. Personally, I'm always going to make sure my parts sound as close to perfect and make them my own. If you're playing music, why not make it sound as great as you can? Isn't that the point?! Cheers.
 
+1 to keyboard players getting bored. Most rock and pop music is more rhythmic than melodic, and keys are really a melodic instrument.

As far as gear: modern keyboards have remarkable piano and organ sounds, but the weak point is the speakers. I play keys when we need it — on a lime green toy keyboard from Casio. Run through a decent guitar amp, it sounds stellar.