Double Bass First came the UpShot, then DoubleShot - now Coda Evolution

[Wasnex]

Thanks all
Lots to think about and investigate. I need to get hold of the manual. Do you have that for download at your website mark?

Also, question number two (2)was the vocal quality of the double shot? Any comments on that?
thanks again

Acoustic Image manuals are available here: AI | Manuals (acousticimg.com)

I don't think the AI cabs would be great for singing, if that's what you mean. Given their design, I would not expect them to throw the sound very well and also I would expect them to feedback more easily than more traditional designs with narrower dispersion.

 

[bobsax]

Video is 2 years old. This bass player is really good and he demos the upshot the double shot and the Ten 2 series 5
. He seems to prefer the 10 two series 5.
Amps are demonstrated second half of the video

 

[bobsax]

Acoustic Image manuals are available here: AI | Manuals (acousticimg.com)

I don't think the AI cabs would be great for singing, if that's what you mean. Given their design, I would not expect them to throw the sound very well and also I would expect them to feedback more easily than more traditional designs with narrower dispersion.

Thanks Wasnex
The video I posted above at the very end he plays through a Yamaha acoustic array amp with subwoofer, which he also uses to power a piano and a vocalist so that definitely is one way to go. More to carry .
Sounds like the Clarus is hard to find so I’ll probably stick with the Genz Benz shuttle for bass only and the Genzler Acoustic Aray when I need a to sing . Unfortunately the Genzler is not the bass amp Gollihur sells):

 

[Mark Gollihur]

Video is 2 years old. This bass player is really good and he demos the upshot the double shot and the Ten 2 series 5
. He seems to prefer the 10 two series 5.
Amps are demonstrated second half of the video

There is no series 5, he must mean Series 4+. And it's an interesting video, but not particularly critical - checking them out in a carpeted, furnished living room from close up isn't the most scientific way to evaluate an acoustic bass instrument amp for live performance usage. But still, the Ten2 is an excellent amp, albeit discontinued. The drivers in it are pretty much the same as what's in the Doubleshot, just differently arranged and in a different cabinet.

And we do sell a bunch of Genzler, just to clarify - even if it's not on the site, we can get any amp Jeff makes, and we even have a custom "Gollihur Series" acoustic amp that is exclusive to us.

 

[uprightbass.com]

Thanks for sharing that video. That StagePas and QSC K always seem like viable alternatives to a bass amps. It seems that these PA's have been getting so good that at some point dedicated bass amps are going to be a matter of personal preference. If SOMEONE ELSE were to haul the StagePas to the gig and all I needed to do was show up and plug in, I'm all in.

I share the same opinion regarding the Upshot vs the older series. I like the Upshot for it's portability and there are huge benefits to having an up firing speaker. There's more of a directness and I can hear myself better. For the sake of a great overall sounding band, I am a big proponent of not having speakers aimed at the legs and feet of instrumentalists, but at their ears instead, which the Upshot solves for bassists. It's now my main go to and my main speaker because I can hear myself clearly without needing to crank it up more than necessary to the benefit of the group's sound.

The upshot doesn't sound quite as good as a Coda Series III/4, but it's a net positive. It sounds great and if I didn't have both to A/B, I likely wouldn't have known the difference. Once I'm playing, the difference is not noticeable since I'm far too busy listening and focused on the music to notice the difference in sound.

What I discovered is that the older down firing cab plus an upshot compliments each other extremely well. Adding the Upshot together with a Series III or 4 is a fantastic combination. I can hear myself clearly and the overall sound is full, round, clear and Hifi. The older series might be discontinued, but it's not obsolete.

He likes "more direct" (as most of us do). If he did the Ten2 plus the Upshot, he might have liked the overall results.

 

[DoubleMIDI]

You can lay down the doubleshot on the side with some additional feet to keep distance to the ground. The only problem is that the small speaker is not directed upwards.

 

[uprightbass.com]

Placing a Doubleshot on it's side so that one speaker is downfiring isn't what it's designed to do so I wonder what Rick Jones' opinion would be regarding doing that. I do know that he explicitly said that flipping a Series 4 over so that the speaker faced up does not equate to a upshot and it would perform poorly so I would guess that the reverse is true. I certainly would be interested in a Doubleshot designed with an upfiring and downfiring plus small speaker. Bring back the dockable head and while you're at it Rick? I guess the whole thing then would be a Series 4 plus an upshot on top. Break out the duct tape.

 

[DoubleMIDI]

I just thought it might be worth a try to test the Doubleshot up-and downfiring on some feet. Maybe even try different feet height.
I don‘t expect it to be better in general than what it‘s designed for, but that shouldn‘t limit experimenting.

 

[bassically_eli]

Acoustic Image had a white paper about the up firing and down firing speakers. It explained that the down firing cab forms a horn with the ground, which creates a resonance and a null in the mid frequencies that need to be addressed by the design. In other words, I don't think the DS would sound great turned on its side since it wasn't designed for that, but who knows, I guess one could get lucky.

 

[Ric Vice]

The issue with the original down firing Acoustic Image cabinets is that they were/are very room dependent. If you have a wood surface below the speaker then
they can sound amazing. A carpeted surface will dampen the sound muffling the driver. So the combos would sound very different from one space to another.
The Double Shot and Up Shot are vast improvements on the original. Just my take.

 

[bobsax]

So is the Upshot the ultimate portable cab? It sounds like works well as a monitor at your feet giving you a louder sound than the rest of the band and if it isn’t filling the room then you send it to the PA?
At this point, I’m envisioning using the Clarus with the upshot for small gigs, and then switching to a larger cab when I need to use both channels for singing.
So I’m a little bit nervous about getting the Clarus since it seems there’s a supply chain issue with parts. Wondering if this is affecting the quality? Perhaps the parts aren’t up to snuff or being replaced with less quality parts?

 

[uprightbass.com]

Upshot right in front of me is how I use it. It's just the right size to be inconspicuous. It is the ultimate portable cab for me. If there is PA then yes, that's all that I need. If I need more then I'll keep the Upshot in front of me and then run additional speaker(s) and place them at the back of the stage. I still keep the Upshot as part of the setup.

This whole supply chain issue is terrible. I can't see Rick Jones accepting iffy parts in his products. Reliability and customer service is what Rick built his reputation on. A larger company you might have to question that, but I trust Rick.