First gig with a backline, and now I need a 410

[erikteichmann]

So last night I played my first gig with a backlined amp and cab. I've played a lot of bar/amvets type gigs using either an Acoustic B200 1x15 combo, or a small Peavey 2x8 combo. Playing through the 410 blew those away (obviously). So now I've gotta have a 410.

Not far from me a guy on Craigslist is selling a Yorkville 410, 500w @ 8Ω. He's listing it for $75 cash. Is that enough of a deal that I should go snag it immediately? I don't have a head yet (I'm leaning towards probably picking up one of those TC Electronic heads), so I don't even really have a way to test it (unless the guy has an amp he's willing to demo it with).

I was also looking around on Guitar Center, where it looks like I can get all manner of different used 410 cabs for $150-250 or so, delivered to my local. Notably saw a Bassman 410h for $170 or a Rumble 410 for $229, as well as various other stuff for cheap, GK, Hartke, etc. There's not a lot of availability on the ground near me for used kit. And I really don't know much about cabs.

I play G&L Tribute basses, a Fallout and an L2500, and I like a mid-punch sound (I like me some Joe Dart). I play in some classic rock cover bands (small bars mostly) and am in an originals band that plays alternative-style stuff, where the bass is pretty forward. Ideas?

 

[walterw]

I've played a lot of bar/amvets type gigs using either an Acoustic B200 1x15 combo, or a small Peavey 2x8 combo. Playing through the 410 blew those away (obviously). So now I've gotta have a 410.

sounds to me like you don't necessarily need a 4x10, you just need a bigger, more powerful bass rig than you've used thus far. 2 15s or even some modern 2x12 cabs with at least 300w of amp pushing them would be a big improvement too.

either way yorkville is good stuff and sounds like they're essentially giving it away. if you don't mind the size and weight, as long as it works it'll probably be all the cab you'll need for any gig.

borrow a head of some sort to test it first, a blown 4x10 cab is not worth much at all.

another good test is a 9V battery and a speaker cable; plug in the cable, touch the +terminal of the battery to the tip of the other end of the cable, touch the - to the sleeve and all 4 speakers should make a loud thump and they should all move forward, towards the front of the cab. if some speakers don't make sound, don't move or move the opposite way then you have a problem in there

 

[DWBass]

Test out the cabinet if you can and yeah, as mentioned above, it's going to be a heavy cabinet. $75 is a good deal though. Best cab I ever played through was a Genz 4x10 but at over 90+lbs, I had to get rid of it. Was a bear to move around.

 

[shoot-r]

So last night I played my first gig with a backlined amp and cab. So now I've gotta have a 410.

What was the 410 cabinet that you liked?

Maybe try to locate a used cab like the one "your ears" have already approved of?

Since not all 410 cabs will sound the same, it might be worth taking the time and effort to locate the one you already know you like.

Make sure all componets are in good working condition, that the drivers are the original drivers that were chosen for that cabinet's design and tuning.
(It's common to find used bass cabinets where components have been swapped out before the cab was traded-in.)

 

[StevewiththePbass]

Don’t do it. Next thing, you’ll want two cause you gotta have the stack, right? Then you’ll have to buy a Subaru to haul them and who wants that!?

 

[bherman]

Playing in small bars and vet halls, you don't need a 410, and honestly a decent 210 is more than enough. You'll regret it after the first few times of carrying that thing around - there's a reason that they sell for low $$ nowadays. IF you really want to go that route, buy a head first, or borrow one, to make sure that its functioning properly and that you like how it sounds. You'll thank me in the morning. Both of the amps that you are currently using and comparing a 410 with are only enough for practice amps.

 

[Jason Hollar]

A good 4x10 can bring the boom. It’s really about headroom and authority when you need that heft.

I can no longer move those heavy boxes myself so I’ve sworn off owning them.

My drummer buddy turned part time bassist is playing my old crown amp into an SWR 4x10 and he says it’s glorious. It is.

 

[D.A.R.K.]

2x10 might be enough. But if you want to run a rig at idle instead of pushing it, and have a good back, 4x10's can be had cheap as chips and will cover most anything.

 

[DJ Bebop]

So last night I played my first gig with a backlined amp and cab. I've played a lot of bar/amvets type gigs using either an Acoustic B200 1x15 combo, or a small Peavey 2x8 combo. Playing through the 410 blew those away (obviously). So now I've gotta have a 410.

Not far from me a guy on Craigslist is selling a Yorkville 410, 500w @ 8Ω. He's listing it for $75 cash. Is that enough of a deal that I should go snag it immediately? I don't have a head yet (I'm leaning towards probably picking up one of those TC Electronic heads), so I don't even really have a way to test it (unless the guy has an amp he's willing to demo it with).

I was also looking around on Guitar Center, where it looks like I can get all manner of different used 410 cabs for $150-250 or so, delivered to my local. Notably saw a Bassman 410h for $170 or a Rumble 410 for $229, as well as various other stuff for cheap, GK, Hartke, etc. There's not a lot of availability on the ground near me for used kit. And I really don't know much about cabs.

I play G&L Tribute basses, a Fallout and an L2500, and I like a mid-punch sound (I like me some Joe Dart). I play in some classic rock cover bands (small bars mostly) and am in an originals band that plays alternative-style stuff, where the bass is pretty forward. Ideas?

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That's 500 watts Program which is double the RMS rating, so 250 watts RMS is the handling power of that Yorkville cabinet.

 

[Swerve]

My Fender Rumble 410 is only around 60lb, and it has casters so it’s easy enough to get around.

I tried for years to get by with 112, 212, 115, etc and I was never quite satisfied. So I know how you feel. 410 is the cat’s whiskers.

 

[Benji bassman]

That Yorkville looks pretty sweet for $75. If all of the speakers work, you should definitely be able to sell it for $75 if you end up not liking it.

 

[Brandon Shea]

I used to have a Yorkville combo, and it was a great value for the money. Heavy though, and I bet that cab weighs a ton. Budget permitting, consider two 2x10s so you can decide how many to bring depending on the gig.

If you don’t care about weight, snag the Yorkville and sell it if you hate it later.

 

[Pulverizor]

That's 500 watts Program which is double the RMS rating, so 250 watts RMS is the handling power of that Yorkville cabinet.

I would not buy that if I were OP, not a lot of power handling for a 410.
Seller should be paying someone 75 bucks to take it away.

Do you remember the brand of cab that was backlined OP? Maybe it was the venues and you could go back and look if you're sold on that sound.

Also:

Thread 'A guide to sounding like Joe Dart from Vulfpeck'

Mar 29, 2021

TL;DW
Turn your neck pickup off, pluck by the bridge, roll the tone most of the way off, and play relentless 16th notes.

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[baxter_x]

Playing through the 410 blew those away (obviously). So now I've gotta have a 410.

What 410 was that? What maker?

 

[Wasnex]

There is nothing inherently magical about four 10s. The cab you are considering may sound nothing like the 410 you played through. Also the wonderful tone you experienced may be due to an unexpected gestalt rather than a specific piece of gear. It's possible you would think the same exact rig sounds awful in a different room.

$75 for a cab in decent condition with the correct drivers could be a steal. A couple of relevant sayings:
1. You usually get what you paid for.
2. Extra caution is warranted for deals that appear to be too good to be true.

 

[TeaTime]

Yeah, you've been using practice amps, and just got a taste of what a stage amp is. Don't rush - try some options, and do so without being fixated on a particular format. 4x10 seems great, but are generally bulky to load, heavy to move. Getting a pair of 2x10s allows you to take just one for smaller gigs, and makes loading and moving much easier. The number of people able to tell (without sight) 4x10 vs a pair of 2x10 in a live band setting is so close to zero as to not matter.

These days I'm usually pushing 800w through a pair of 1x12, and find I never miss the two or four 2x10 I leave at home.

 

[DanAdams]

As far as extremely low budget cabs go, you couldn't do better, assuming the weight won't bother you.
That cab is also great looking! It looks like it is dressed up for a wedding
it doesn't look like it spent decades getting thrown into vans or having beers split on it.
If it works well, it's a no brainer. I think you could probably re-sell it for a bit more if you don't like it.

 

[john_g]

I used to have a Yorkville combo, and it was a great value for the money. Heavy though, and I bet that cab weighs a ton. Budget permitting, consider two 2x10s so you can decide how many to bring depending on the gig.

If you don’t care about weight, snag the Yorkville and sell it if you hate it later.

The two 2x10's is what I do. I had an ampeg 4x10 for years but it was really heavy and we play small to medium sized gigs which can be tight on floor space. So i sold that and got two ampeg 2x10's. I can take one for the smaller places and two for larger gigs. If I were the OP, that cab, if it works, is a good deal at $75 if nothing you can use it for practice or larger gigs.

 

[FullumMusic]

Different 4x10s sound different from each other. Might not be the speaker layout you fell in love with, but whatever amp the backline had running through whatever 4x10 they had. You might like the sound of that specific amp through that specific 4x10, and getting any other 4x10 and using a different amp on it will be a completely different experience.

This seems more like a try-before-you-buy situation, or buy the same amp & cab you already played through at the gig.

 

[Goatrope]

For your budget that's a decent cab if it's functional. Buy it. It's a fairly inexpensive lesson. You'll learn a lot from living with one.