First gig with a backline, and now I need a 410

[pepj]

Not sure on those cabs...
I'd offer a used Epifani 310 or 410 would be a real trade up and the bonus is they can be found for cheap money.
My top bang for buck tip.

 

[richntiff]

I'd say shop around and try as many different cabs as you are able to. That 4x10 is going to be HEAVY. For me at this point, total deal breaker. I have a Mesa 2x12 that I'll put up against any non-boutique 4x10. It's still big and bulky, but less so than most 4x10 cabs. Before that, I played a 2x10 that was even lighter and smaller - I should probably just go back to that on gigs I need an amp (mostly direct to FOH and IEM nowadays).

The point being - you may be able to find your tone goals with less bulk than a 4x10. The downside is that you'll have to pay more than $75 for it.

 

[MrWolf14]

As you already know, a 4x10 is the "real deal"
But it will take up place in the car, place on the stage and will be heavy to lug around.

I think you and me both aim at a similar "ideal bass sounds".
So I had to buy a 4x10 and since I like Joe Dart's sound, it's a Markbass, so not too heavy.
But that box has never ever left the rehearsal room.
Not once.
Really.

Playing out, I always use 1x12 or 2x12
That's all I needed so far.

My 0.02$

 

[lethargytartare]

It's a nice price for a lot of power. As others said: it sounds like overkill for your most common needs (if you're getting by with a small 1x15 combo), and economical 4x10s tend to be awful to move around. That COULD BE cheap enough to buy and leave at a rehearsal space. My current setup, and what I'd go back in time to recommend to my younger self, is a pair of 12s. I use one to rehearse, and both for shows. Much easier to move around, and plenty of output.

 

[eniac]

Another thing to check for is creased cones. Oftentimes the problem is not audible until the cab is pushed. You'll need good eyesight and a very strong flashlight to see them.

 

[Lobster11]

Lots of people have (correctly) pointed out how heavy this will be, so I think you will probably also have to budget for a hand truck or something similar.

Also, the size/dimensions could be a problem for transporting it depending on what you drive. A 4x10 would fit comfortably in most car back seats or trunks, but only if you can get it through the door or trunk opening.

 

[InkCow]

If you want to test that 4x10, just bring your B200: it has an external speaker out. All you need is a 1/4" speaker cable.

You don't actually need to get a head, you could get by with this setup for as long as you wanted.

 

[TheSpinDoctor]

The other posters are correct. Simply buying any 4x10" cabinet may not get the sound that you are seeking. As an example, these are several Ampeg 4x10" cabinets that you may find used. The specs vary widely.
Bottom Line: Find out what 4x10" cabinet you used was in the back line that night.

Cabinet	RMS (watts)	Impedance (ohms)	Freq Response (±3 dB)	Sensitivity (1w/1m)	Dimensions (HxWxD)	Weight (lbs)
B410HE	200	8	55Hz - 18kHz	95	22.75x22.75x17.5	74
B410HLF	400	4	50Hz - 18kHz	99	22.75x22.75x17.5	90
BSE410H	200	8	55Hz - 18kHz	95	22.75x22.75x17.5	75
BSE410HLF	400	4	50Hz - 18kHz	99	25.75x22.75x17.5	91
BSE410HS	400	8	50Hz - 18kHz	98	25.75x22.75x17.5	91
BXE-410HL4/8	600	4 or 8	45Hz - 18kHz	99	26x26x19	122
HSVT-410HLF	500	4	48Hz - 18kHz	98	30x24x19	73
PF-410HLF	800	8	55Hz - 17kHz	101	27.3x22.75x17.5	73.4
PN-410HLF	850 (?)	8	70Hz - 10kHz	100	26.5x22.8x17.5	64
PN-410HLF	850	8	70Hz - 10kHz	100	26.5x22.8x17.5	64
PR-410H	600	8	45Hz - 18kHz	99	26x26x19	118
PR-410HLF	600	4	33Hz - 18kHz	96	30x26x19	128
SVT-410 Pro	600	8	68Hz - 18kHz	104	24x25x16	103
SVT-410HE	500	4	60Hz - 18kHz	98	25x24x16	71
SVT-410HLF	500	4	48Hz - 18kHz	98	30x24x19	74

 

[N. Kentucky Bass]

So last night I played my first gig with a backlined amp and cab. I've played a lot of bar/amvets type gigs using either an Acoustic B200 1x15 combo, or a small Peavey 2x8 combo. Playing through the 410 blew those away (obviously). So now I've gotta have a 410.

Not far from me a guy on Craigslist is selling a Yorkville 410, 500w @ 8Ω. He's listing it for $75 cash. Is that enough of a deal that I should go snag it immediately? I don't have a head yet (I'm leaning towards probably picking up one of those TC Electronic heads), so I don't even really have a way to test it (unless the guy has an amp he's willing to demo it with).

I was also looking around on Guitar Center, where it looks like I can get all manner of different used 410 cabs for $150-250 or so, delivered to my local. Notably saw a Bassman 410h for $170 or a Rumble 410 for $229, as well as various other stuff for cheap, GK, Hartke, etc. There's not a lot of availability on the ground near me for used kit. And I really don't know much about cabs.

I play G&L Tribute basses, a Fallout and an L2500, and I like a mid-punch sound (I like me some Joe Dart). I play in some classic rock cover bands (small bars mostly) and am in an originals band that plays alternative-style stuff, where the bass is pretty forward. Ideas?

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One thing about a 410 is you've got to move it around. Are you a totally tough Hee Man?

My routine would be lifting and nudging it down the stairs from the house, dead lift into the truck, dead lift out of truck at venue, more lifts up stairs and on stage, then reverse the process going back home. That's a heck of a lot of 100 pound lifts. And you can get a heck of a lot of volume out of much lighter cabs. Do some research and be realistic. Maybe you'll be buying a hernia?

 

[Norm Nelson]

for $75? I'd do it. Though that is a low wattage rating if it's 250W RMS, you could easily max that out

 

[ThudThudThud]

My Fender Rumble 410 is only around 60lb, and it has casters so it's easy enough to get around.

I tried for years to get by with 112, 212, 115, etc and I was never quite satisfied. So I know how you feel. 410 is the cat's whiskers.

I had one of those. It did a great job. I think if I was gigging again I might go 2x12 though.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

That's 500 watts Program which is double the RMS rating, so 250 watts RMS is the handling power of that Yorkville cabinet.

That is very true and 250-watts is not much handling power for a 410. I've only had a couple of 410's. The first one was an acoustic B410 with 400-watts RMS handling power (800-watts program power). Brands tend to quote "program power" instead of "rms power" when they are trying to make you think it is more than it actually is. Compare that cab to a 250-watt rms cab. That would be about the least handling power I would expect for a 410 cab.

My current 410 is a DNS-410 by DNA and it has 1,400-watts rms handling power. I feed it with an 800-watt amp and can't turn it above 10:15 at a wide open music festivals without being told to turn down by the sound crew. As an FYI, not only all 410's NOT sound alike, there can be huge differences in the sound they produce and the power they can handle. So I wouldn't expect that Yorkville cab to necessarily sound like the 410 that you played through. That's why it's always better to play through the cab with the amp and bass you will be using so you can really hear how it will sound for you.

I bought my DNS-410 back in 2015 and it arrived 2-days before I moved from Virginia to Washington state. It was a $1,000 amp back then and I though I'd never need to buy another cab because this one could be used for everything...only it couldn't. In Washington state there are over 400-brewpubs, most of them fairly small. A band I hooked up with back then hosted Open Mic Nights on Fridays and we did that over 40 times each year. I couldn't use it at that brewpub.

They about freaked when I rolled in my 410 and made me use a Peavey 112 bass combo they had. Found out virtually all those small venues would do that, evidently not believing I could play at low levels through it. I have lots of different cabs now but basically use my DNS-210 cab (handles 700-watts rms) for most indoor venues and my DNS-410 for outdoors...I should have bought the 210 first. Then I would have bought a second 210 to add to it when I needed it. More modular, making more sense to only take a 210 with you for most gigs and have the ability to add a second 210 when needed. And nobody looks cross-eyed at a bass player bringing in a 210.

I never thought much about Yorkville cabs and them advertising "program power" makes it even more suspect. Still, any port in a storm "IF" it will get the job done. Price is low enough that if it can do a passable job for the time being, you can use it until you make enough money playing gigs to get better gear. So if it opens that door for the time being, it may be worth doing. Just be aware of what you are really getting - that is a 250-watt rms cab, not a 500-watt rms cab.

As an FYI, "most" class D heads will produce half of their power into an 8Ω cab and all of it into either two 8Ω cabs or one 4Ω cab. If you go for that inexpensive 410 to get you by, be aware that you should choose a head with 500-watts rms into 4Ω or less. 500-watts in most class D amps will usually deliver 250-watts rms into an 8Ω cab, which would max out that Yorkville 410. So anywhere between 300-watts rms and 500-watts rms will be OK as they will only deliver half of their power into an 8Ω cab. If you have an amp that can put out more power than the speakers can handle, and you are tempted to "crank-it up", you will blow out the speakers in that cab turning it into a big heavy paper-weight. Not a big deal at $75 for the cab UNLESS it's the only one you have. Use it like a "passing-note" in a bass riff moving you towards where you want to land, and you should be fine. If it was hundreds of dollars I'd tell you to stay away from it. But $75 for a temporary fix makes sense.

 

[lokerola]

You just to save a few more nickels for the Hartke Hydrive HL410. 45.3lbs.

Oh yea, and it's $1,200.00.

HL410 | Hartke

Combining the versatility of Hartke's HyDrive speakers with a modern, lightweight cabinet design, the HL410 is designed for demanding bassists who need a cabinet that can handle anything they throw at it. Designed from the ground up, the HL410 features four 10" HyDrive neodymium speakers capable...

www.hartke.com

 

[GandL_Bassman]

I had the same issues when I couldn't get what I wanted from a combo rig. I also play a G&L (a Fullerton '82 SB2), an '11 P Special Act/Dlx and a '14 Jazz V Act/Dlx. I found that with my guitars, an Eden 210 cab and a good 15" (Behringer for now) fill a room without being "loud". Whatever you get, get a head with headroom, power wise.(QSC 850 Professional)
Clipping won't help...
?(My other amp is a Fender Rumble 500...less than 30#s)

 

[Bassdirty]

What was the 410 cabinet that you liked?

This. I wish our friend would return to at least answer the question.


T$

 

[MrUsefulAlien]

Do you not have PA support?
I play with either a 1x10 these days, or a 2x10 and rarely without PA. Often even ampless, sometimes with a Backbeat rumble thing, sometimes not.
If the amp is loud enough for people to hear you at the back of a given room, then you are way too loud on stage.
I just sold my trusty Bergantino 410, there is no reason to own anything that isn't a combo these days if you wish to have a quiet stage sound and for the audience to hear you, but actually hear what you play, not just a distant rumbling.

With that being said, I use a GK MB210 II, and it is consistently loud enough with great tone. I play with In Ears and use for low end feedback. The 1x10 is a modified Line 6 LD 110. I play professionally either in event bands, big bands or musicals (where I often am forced to go ampless, which is totally fine).

 

[dbsfgyd1]

So last night I played my first gig with a backlined amp and cab. I've played a lot of bar/amvets type gigs using either an Acoustic B200 1x15 combo, or a small Peavey 2x8 combo. Playing through the 410 blew those away (obviously). So now I've gotta have a 410.

Not far from me a guy on Craigslist is selling a Yorkville 410, 500w @ 8Ω. He's listing it for $75 cash. Is that enough of a deal that I should go snag it immediately? I don't have a head yet (I'm leaning towards probably picking up one of those TC Electronic heads), so I don't even really have a way to test it (unless the guy has an amp he's willing to demo it with).

I was also looking around on Guitar Center, where it looks like I can get all manner of different used 410 cabs for $150-250 or so, delivered to my local. Notably saw a Bassman 410h for $170 or a Rumble 410 for $229, as well as various other stuff for cheap, GK, Hartke, etc. There's not a lot of availability on the ground near me for used kit. And I really don't know much about cabs.

I play G&L Tribute basses, a Fallout and an L2500, and I like a mid-punch sound (I like me some Joe Dart). I play in some classic rock cover bands (small bars mostly) and am in an originals band that plays alternative-style stuff, where the bass is pretty forward. Ideas?

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There is a lot of difference in response going from cab brand to brand. I'm glad you had a good experience with the 410 back line gear, but I wouldn't assume all 410 cabs are going to sound the same.

As for this particular cab, unless there is a pretty good reason the seller will settle for $75, I would be highly suspicious. Not being able to actually trying it out first for me is a deal breaker.

But on the other hand, you probably spend that amount of money on your cell phone and fast food each month. There are no refunds for that either.

 

[InkCow]

Do you not have PA support?
I play with either a 1x10 these days, or a 2x10 and rarely without PA. Often even ampless, sometimes with a Backbeat rumble thing, sometimes not.
If the amp is loud enough for people to hear you at the back of a given room, then you are way too loud on stage.
I just sold my trusty Bergantino 410, there is no reason to own anything that isn't a combo these days if you wish to have a quiet stage sound and for the audience to hear you, but actually hear what you play, not just a distant rumbling.

With that being said, I use a GK MB210 II, and it is consistently loud enough with great tone. I play with In Ears and use for low end feedback. The 1x10 is a modified Line 6 LD 110. I play professionally either in event bands, big bands or musicals (where I often am forced to go ampless, which is totally fine).

I can't speak for the OP, but I will say that at probably about three quarters of the gigs I play, stage volume provides majority of the house for bass, although usually the engineer DIs my amp for some fine tuning of the mix. Not always, though: several local venues where the stage amp provides all of the bass.

 

[StyleOverShow]

This is how it starts. I recommend a sturdy and lighter, and cheaper 210 cab. There are plenty to choose from. I ran an Avatar 210 neo for a decade, under thirty pounds and punchy with a 300W head.

When you 'need' a 410 it will be apparent by the number of gigs requiring it.

Betcha do it anyway….

 

[erikteichmann]

Sorry I'm a dummy and started a conversation that I promptly forgot about!

So I fortunately talked myself out of getting the Yorkville. Definitely would have been too heavy. If it had been down the street, I'd have probably picked it up, but it was a bit of a drive and October was hectic (had a gig every weekend, which is a lot for me).

Some have asked what the backline cab was -- unfortunately, I have no idea. I've attached the best photo I could find, cropped in. It's 4x10, black with carpet, diamond metal grille, and it looks like a port/vent on the bottom. It's got a badge on the front, but I can't read it.

I figure at this rate, I'm keeping my eyes open. I would love to get my hands on a decent 2x10 honestly -- I think the ideal for me would be a pair of 2x10s, 8Ω (so I can run both at 4Ω). But it seems like a 210 that can handle a decent amount of power that isn't super spendy is tough to find. Light would be great as well, obviously, but I'm aware of the "pick two" axiom. I'm 40, so I still have a few years of heavy lifting left anyway -- and casters are my friend.

As for current gigs, the band I play in most regularly doesn't run bass through the PA -- they just have some small tops, no subs, so it's just a vox through the PA situation. These are primarily bar/restaurant gigs. The band these photos are with is playing stuff that will more likely have PA support. I think mostly, I just want to get into some 10s rather than the 15 in my combo. The guitar player in the originals band actually has the same Acoustic B200 head as my combo, but with a Neo 210 cabinet, and I like the sound of that.

So, I guess I'll look around at 210s. I do rather like the idea of a 2x210 stack