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First Impression: Bergantino NXT

#65
bdowd said:
Curious on this as well. I have an ht112er that I love, trying to decide whether to pick up a ref112 (for a semi-continuitous stack) or start the switch over to the nxt line.
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I just got my REF210 from Japan, and although it's not super fun lugging it up and down the stairs, it's not nearly as heavy as I thought it would be. I'm pairing it with my Sadowsky SA200, and there's just something [possibly not scientific] about using an old ceramic driver cabinet with an all-tube head. I'd get the REF112 and have no regrets if I were you.
 
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toniwonkanobi said:
I just got my REF210 from Japan, and although it's not super fun lugging it up and down the stairs, it's not nearly as heavy as I thought it would be. I'm pairing it with my Sadowsky SA200, and there's just something [possibly not scientific] about using an old ceramic driver cabinet with an all-tube head. I'd get the REF112 and have no regrets if I were you.
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He said, “not super fun.” I appreciate an optimistic perspective! The ref210 was every bit as heavy as I imagined every time I moved it, which wasn’t much.

I’ve owned the NXT and the Ref210… any marginal improvements from the ceramic speakers are borderline negligible IMO. If it is going to sit in a practice room or studio, definitely get the Ref. If it’s going to be lugged around, definitely get the NXT.

Given my chronic back issues, I’d rather haul 3 NXTs than 1 Ref, whether across town or across the room.
 
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#67
CaptainWally said:
Well, IMHO, the key difference was that you moved to a 210 on top, as opposed to moving to a REF. Both the HDN210 and REF210 have more mid punch than the 12. The difference between the HDN112 stack vs. the HDN112 + HDN210 is super noticeable.

While I have no doubt that there is a difference between the HDN210 and REF210, I actually am guessing the biggest discernible difference is the tweeter.

I actually think you might be able to come really close to your existing stack by replacing your REF210 with an NXT210.

Less weight, but definitely not free...and probably not worth pursuing.
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A 212 is not supposed to have more midrange than a 210 ?
 
#69
Franz975 said:
A 212 is not supposed to have more midrange than a 210 ?
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I found the NXT212 to have tons and tons of upper midrange but not sure how it compares to the 210. Turning the tweeter off (experiment) there was still a lot of brightness. The upper midrange from the 10's may be voiced slightly higher. As far as I know these woofers are all running full range and they all cut through.
 
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Doug Parent said:
I found the NXT212 to have tons and tons of upper midrange but not sure how it compares to the 210. Turning the tweeter off (experiment) there was still a lot of brightness. The upper midrange from the 10's may be voiced slightly higher. As far as I know these woofers are all running full range and they all cut through.
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Same experience with the NXT212. It had a really nice voicing in the middle mid and lower mids, with no boxiness or honk, but it has some teeth in the upper midrange which probably works very well for some guys.
 
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I dont think it sounds bad at all. I think it sounds great. That particular voicing may or may not work for some people, but it's purely subjective, not good/bad. A lot of people find certain cabs to be too "polite" in that region and the NXT212 would be a great option for them.
 
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J.Wolf said:
I dont think it sounds bad at all. I think it sounds great. That particular voicing may or may not work for some people, but it's purely subjective, not good/bad. A lot of people find certain cabs to be too "polite" in that region and the NXT212 would be a great option for them.
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Okay ! I have a Darkglass 210N actually, if I can sell it and got an NXT I would be happy, but maybe the NXT is more agressive in that area compare to the DG those cab are made for rock I think
 
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#78
Franz975 said:
It is really too agressive or something ? Maybe just cutting the higher mids on the Bergantino Amp or preamp will change that :/
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I was able to tame the high mids but the frequency range that I cut was way up there around 2.5khz-3khz. One day as an experiment I turned the tweeter off and started cutting everything around 3khz. Had to go minus -9 on the EQ to get it where I felt it should have been at "0" or flat. Ended up selling it for that reason alone. Everything else was great though. For rock I would see no problem cutting all that glass but for funk it just wasn't my thing.
 
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I've had the NXT212 for a while now. It slams hard for its size and weight, that's for sure. But to me, the Bergantino gear has a sort of brightness and airiness about it that doesn't work well for me. I had a hard time dialing it out on the Forte HP as well, to where it would still sound good and full. I since traded the head for a Mesa Subway, and the cab will follow as soon as I can find one.

Great gear, don't get me wrong. But does not work for my funk band. Mesa's tone philosophy just more closely aligns with mine.
 
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