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Flea is not really that great is he??

Personally, I love Flea.

I think he's a great bass player. Perhaps not the best that ever lived, but that isn't why Flea is so cool anyways.

Flea is just an interesting character. The fact that many of the younger folks look up to him is great. He's like a spokesperson for bass players. His style is accessible and fun, both to play and to listen too. He also has an attractive, likeable persona.

I think we should appreciate Flea's status as a member of a popular band that has been around for a while, and as a talented bass player.

Speaking from the viewpoint of a teenager, I can say that it is difficult to relate to legendary bass players like Jaco, because he was from another generation. You don't see too many articles in Rolling Stone or Spin about Rocco Prestia, or Marcus Miller, or Larry Graham. Obviously, this does not in any way reflect upon their contributions to bass, but it shows that their music sounded sweetest to a different generation.

When I discovered Flea, it was amazing. I had heard Chili Peppers songs on the radio for years, but I had never paid any attention to bass. Only later on when I started bass did I learn that all I had to do to get in on bass was listen a little harder to those hit songs that were already so familiar. I didn't have to go to my teacher and have him say "Ok, so-and-so plays bass really well, so listen to some of their stuff", and have to acclimate to something totally foreign to me. It was like suddenly finding out a neighbor that you've known your whole life is a practicing physician, just as your wife is going in to labor.

If Flea is the reason you started playing bass, fantastic. I'm sure that using Flea as a jumping off point will allow you to develop a deeper appreciation for the instrument as you learn more.
 
Originally posted by EString
You don't see too many articles in Rolling Stone or Spin about Rocco Prestia, or Marcus Miller, or Larry Graham. Obviously, this does not in any way reflect upon their contributions to bass, but it shows that their music sounded sweetest to a different generation.


I agree with much of your post, though, this snippet throws me a little.
Spin is obviously a Pop Culture rag...I wouldn't expect anything 'too good' in there(I actually had a FREE subscription for a couple years). ;)
Rolling Stone? Again, if one is hoping to find substance, I'd look elsewhere. You don't go to McDonalds to order prime rib, right?
(Prime McRib?) ;)

Anyway, some many players of today are doin' what they do because of those very three players you mentioned...some bands today are sooo '70s retro(almost TOP & Sly rip-offs, actually).
Maybe it's not 'cool' to be seen buying cds from a '60s/'70s group? I still recall that day when I was but 17 & with long, long hair, buying my first Jazz album...all my friends that I was BS-ing around as I stood there in line with Bad Benson. ;)

As far as music sounding 'sweet' to particular generations; I dunno. I know many around here LOVE Jimmy Buffett & Beach Music. What I've noticed about music over the years is this-
If the music was made with a sense of urgency, passion, in-the-heat-of-the-moment, soul, etc...then it's timeless. Coltrane still sounds fresh TODAY, even 35 years after the fact...no?
Thank God for recordings...
 
I've heard some of Wootens live stuff... and yes it was an impressive display of technical & musical prowess.
...but in my opinion it still didnt have the same level of energy and the vibe of Fleas playing.

Sometimes I feel that when music is played perfectly it sounds too controlled and the vibe is lost. Rawness is nice.

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VICTOR WOOTEN - YouTube

the man lives by the groove and sounds like a 10piece band. no overplaying or showoff, his basslines serve the song, not the other way. flea could learn worlds from him.
 
I used to listen to the Chilli Peppers in middle/high school but I don't really listen to them anymore, so I don't exactly have a fan bias. However, I don't think how many dozens of notes somebody can play in a half second makes them a good bassist, so I've always had a problem with peoples' worship of Victor Wooten and the likes. Sure his technique is impressive, but that's about it. It's completely lacking in musical tone and a good deal in substance IMO.
I do think "good" "better" and "best" are a great deal subjective, but in short, I think Flea is a far more tasteful bassist than someone like Wooten and I would be hesitant to base judgement of him on one solo.
 
For me he's part of the greatest. He was the first to mix funk with punk attitude. Like other folks before me, I have almost the collection of RHCP's albums and Flea was one of my top 3 bass player to infulence my style & Technic. We all listen to great bass players to improve our level of play and Flea was one of those... Don't forget, music don't need to be an unplayable thing to be great, sometime simple lick sound just amazing.
 
I used to listen to the Chilli Peppers in middle/high school but I don't really listen to them anymore, so I don't exactly have a fan bias. However, I don't think how many dozens of notes somebody can play in a half second makes them a good bassist, so I've always had a problem with peoples' worship of Victor Wooten and the likes. Sure his technique is impressive, but that's about it. It's completely lacking in musical tone and a good deal in substance IMO.
I do think "good" "better" and "best" are a great deal subjective, but in short, I think Flea is a far more tasteful bassist than someone like Wooten and I would be hesitant to base judgement of him on one solo.

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sorry dude , but that's just trash talking. VW does not lack musical tone or substance, it's just the oposite.



Holy necro thread! How did you guys revive this 11-year-old zombie?

too much time, too much time on our hands seems to be the answer
 
Agree totally with earlier remark- great ensemble bassists vs. virtuoso soloists make for difficult comparisons.

I enjoy music the best when each artist is appreciated on his own merits. Everyone brings something to the table. Nothing wrong with a little discussion however.
 
Some points to consider (all my opinion):
-Rolling Stone has not been a credible source when it comes to music coverage for a LONG time. They tend to cover mainstream stuff and icons well and chase fads. There hasn't been a great magazine focused on general musicians since Musician magazine folded years ago.
-Bass Player is in business to sell magazines and ad space. Do you think Flea or Marcus Miller will move more copies?
-Trying to determine "greatness" is fun, but futile. There is no objective way to determine who is great, and personal tastes and preferences color everyone's opinion. Don't believe me? Name a great country bass player or one from another genre you don't often listen to.
-To me, being "influential" is an important part of a bass players legacy and few players have been as influential as Flea in the past 20 years. I don't know if that makes him great, but it insures I will see his grinning mug in ads for gear and BP covers for years to come.
 
well, I wouldn't expect too much response from the previous posters!

As soon as I read the post about Coltrane from 35 years ago, when he died in 1967, I knew something was up ;)

U sir have a vaild point here, let me just explan that i was not paying attention on to when the last post was written, and since i now one step closer to reputation of dr. Frankenstein the dead talkbass topic resurrector I am deeply sorry for the disturbance in the force that this has caused. i honestly hope this will help remedy my reckless actions.

sorry truly am I .
:(
 
Yes, Flea is that great. He has his sound, he plays great, and he does what a lot of you TBers preach: he serves the song. The fact that he doesn't go to virtuoso-genius levels (which he can), but stays being just a musician playing in a good funky rock band, is what makes him so cool.

His music serves a specific purpose: For you to have fun. It's great to be hanging around with your friends listening to RHCP and having a good time.

He even taught me, personally, how to play slap bass! (Youtube, of course lol!).
 
Yes, Flea is that great. He has his sound, he plays great, and he does what a lot of you TBers preach: he serves the song. The fact that he doesn't go to virtuoso-genius levels (which he can), but stays being just a musician playing in a good funky rock band, is what makes him so cool.

His music serves a specific purpose: For you to have fun. It's great to be hanging around with your friends listening to RHCP and having a good time.

He even taught me, personally, how to play slap bass! (Youtube, of course lol!).


that is not the issue, what is the problem is the amount of justifications so to say so that turn into trash talk when some people try to describe their love for flea and some similar basists. "i love flea cos he has soul and energy unlike wotten/myung/placeholder who plays meaningless tech exercises that are unmusical" . why in hell do people need tu justify someone's minimalist playing style by trashing other technically superior players and being unmusical and boring/non energetic etc etc?!


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bottomline ; flea or any player does not need that kind of justification or silly teenage sayings like "tech is reversely proportional to musicality and soul". that is simply nonconstructive can of worms infestation




it's all good! I just wonder how people find these old things...

abuse of the search option. i was just searching something about flea live and ended up on that weird/prehistoric part of talkbass. I'm sure that there are some "hope is emo" or "cats" videos lurking somewhere around this same place
 
Flea is absolutely great at what he does, and his sound is absolutely integral to the RHCP sound, but after a while I find it to be less than three-dimensional if you know what I mean. His tone fills up a lot of sonic space which is great for a small combo like the Peppers where the guitar is not always chugging along, but would be too thin in a fuller band setting, and on the flip side too much for many softer/quieter songs. That said, I love what he does on the under-rated song "Porcelain" from the "Californication" CD--made me think right away of Bruce Thomas on the Elvis Costello song "Party Girl"--both of them using string noise for artistic effect.
 
I'm getting to a point where I feel it is silly to judge the relative "goodness" of a player. Some have better technique than others, but music isn't a contest. It's all about what music you dig.

I'd rather hear an average bass player in a great band than a great bass player in an average band.

+1

Flea was doing new and exciting things when RHCP first came out, and still is a solid bassist. Just like Les Claypool.